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  • 3 months ago

    Lets go angie

    • 3 months ago

      Euthanasia is currently legal in 5 states, not 2.. (California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon and Vermont)

      • 3 months ago

        I thought about mentioning that, but it wasn't going to contribute to the debate.

      • 3 months ago

        fair enough, this has been one of the most debated issues in recent history and it's rather unfortunate that it did not evolve the way abortion has.

      • 3 months ago

        I'm thankful for your kind exchange on the subject @mrof4343 , and I would have welcomed the correction. But on another note do you see how, as the above comment indicates, abortion and assisted death are following the same trend of devaluation of human life? it was not a Christian agenda that has …

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      • 3 months ago

        Abortion is completely different for the reason that it is not the child's choice, death is being forced on them. Some may view them similarly, but that doesn't change the facts on the ground.

        A "Christian agenda" does not include forcing others to follow our values when it comes to the choices …

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    • 3 months ago

      I would hate nothing more than to ever find myself in this situation (or know someone i love is in this situation...)

      I agree with the guy on the left in principle, but I simply cannot get myself to do it or watch someone else do it.

      • 3 months ago

        @mrof4343 great point about Death with Dignity being ethical based on giving full power to the patients- they can back out at any time and are given all the support to make a fully informed and supported decision.

        • 3 months ago

          The question is, is this a good power to give to people? Not all options are good options, and just because they appear to ease the pain doesn't necessarily mean it's ethical. Alcohol and drugs are also great pain killers and ways to cope with suffering but is offering them as a possible solution …

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        • 3 months ago

          @akyriak This is not a power being given, but a reestablisment of personal control over oneself. The ability to commit suicide or assist someone to do it in a less destructive fashion is actually the default state and the status quo is that the power is taken away by force.

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        • 3 months ago

          @akyriak Alcohol and drugs are actually exactly the same thing: I do not advocate for others or myself to use them, but I won't forbid it; either. The difference between ethics and morals means that while it is against my morals to [use drugs/alcohol, commit suicide], it is against ethics to …

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      • 3 months ago

        The story @akyriak mentioned about the alcoholic in the Netherlands is exactly why this is not an ethical program. It is almost impossible to measure with any sort of accuracy how independent the decision to die is from other temporary life factors.

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        • 3 months ago

          Yes, as the other terminally ill patients I quoted mentioned, this would put undue pressure on others in similar situations. Even one european doctor said that he felt the way he spoke with patients during their meditation on the subject had great influence over their decisions, there's …

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        • 3 months ago

          @faithandhope To flip this around, it's impossible to measure with any sort of accuracy that the decision *is* from other temporary life factors. This argument cuts both ways.