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  • erica_binz55, 22 days ago

    This guy sounds a little too intelligent for someone wearing this mask

    • jeeep33, 22 days ago

      HAHAHA

    • max, 21 days ago

      I mean he called the LGBT movement a Marxist assault on the white family and said lesbians are all faking it for attention

      So I guess it depends on how you define "intelligent"

    • deusvult, 21 days ago

      Snark isn't an argument

    • max, 21 days ago

      The debate is over, I am not making an argument.

    • lachiesfknfacebook, 21 days ago

      But you didn't make an argument during the debate lmao

    • deusvult, 19 days ago

      that's interesting how you kept posting your own sources but then the "debate was over" the moment you were asked to refute one of my points. very mysterious!

  • fitzy45, 22 days ago

    he didn't say they are dirty sinners, did he?

  • jeeep33, 22 days ago

    That's a great question

    • gigi, 22 days ago

      @deusvult but the lifestyle that you are describing are exactly the same for heterosexuals too!

      • deusvult, 22 days ago

        in terms of overall promiscuity it's not even close. male homosexuals have partner counts off the charts

      • servandorosario, 21 days ago

        @deusvult , I'm gay...please get me some of the chart partner counts please.

        Also, I would agree that Christianity sees it as a sin, but I would agree that it doesn't matter. As you've I'm sure masturbated several times in your life, no? (which is also a sin by scripture)

        Sin is law of man, not …

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      • max, 21 days ago

        //instead quoted the text of a different religion in his opening statement...//

        I actually quoted from the Christian Bible

      • gigi, 21 days ago

        @deusvult maybe I should introduce you to some of my straight acquaintances.. off the charts! Based on my personal experience, this type of lifestyle is more of a choice regardless of your sexual orientation.

      • deusvult, 21 days ago

        studies disagree with your anecdotes. Why is that the ONLY "evidence" women on this page present? "well that's not true for ME." "well I know people who aren't like that"

        Do you not even get how science works or why it's important?

      • gigi, 21 days ago

        Can you pls post credible and recent sources of these studies? The problem usually with these is that I can come up with equal amount contradicting yours... So yes, I do find personal experience very valuable especially considering the amount of bs that we are reading online. And my comment is for …

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      • gigi, 21 days ago

        And if you are asking me, sick and disturbed are the ~6%-10% of catholic priests who engage in sexual activities with young boys rather than the adults who make conscious decisions about their life and their happiness..

      • deusvult, 21 days ago

        I'm no fan of Catholicism but the number of children they abuse is practically negligible compares to what schoolteachers do (usually female as well). Obviously all child abuse is wrong regardless of who's doing it, but once again "other people do bad stuff too" is NOT an argument.

        neither is "i've…

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      • deusvult, 21 days ago

        also the Pope is a cuck and I've already posted links and sources all over this page go find them and read them

      • gigi, 21 days ago

        I think you're taking my comments out of context..the example of homosexuality within the catholic community was just to show you what sick means in my opinion and yours obviously. Never said that i know science because i travelled. I know science because I studied it..as mentioned I have degrees …

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      • deusvult, 19 days ago

        >studied science
        >thinks anecdotes are evidence

        choose

    • woodox87, 22 days ago

      So far, I don't see anything that relates specifically to Christianity.

      • gabbykman, 22 days ago

        Correct

      • gigi, 22 days ago

        No but this is definitely interesting..

      • deusvult, 22 days ago

        1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit …

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      • max, 22 days ago

        From my article:

        //The Meaning Of Arsenokoitēs

        This is perhaps the greatest mystery in this whole discussion. There is a word, Arsenokoites, which appears in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. While it has traditionally been translated a variety of ways, we don’t actually know what it means. …

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      • max, 22 days ago

        Didnt realize youd used Romans 1 also, here's more from that same article:

        //The final passages used to condemn homosexuality come in Romans 1: 26-27:

        For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 …

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      • deusvult, 22 days ago

        The Greek translations are already too far from the source for my liking, I'm going to look it up in my Aramaic Bible to get to the bottom of whether this is truly a mistranslation or not.

      • deusvult, 22 days ago

        yeah you're just blatantly wrong, friend. the Aramaic version is even more clear than the Greek one. when men do with men what men should do with women, the punishment is misery and internal disharmony. that's what the punishment of sin looks like in practical terms and real life.

        is it just a …

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      • lachiesfknfacebook, 22 days ago

        you can't use yourself as a source you cuck.

      • max, 21 days ago

        Lol what are you talking about? The Greek I was using was from the New Testament. The New Testament was WRITTEN IN GREEK. By referencing Aramaic you are using a translation.

        For the Old Testament verses I used Hebrew and (at the time considered authoritative) Aramaic translations from the era.

        Are …

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      • max, 21 days ago

        My article cites sources

      • max, 21 days ago

        My article cites some of the most respected scholars in the world + ancient well-respected thinkers fluent in the languages we are discussing

      • lachiesfknfacebook, 21 days ago

        I'll cite this source that I MADE that cites sources that you should believe. You're either shamelessly trying to self promote, or you're just a loser.

      • chasuk, 21 days ago

        @Deusvult, the New Testament was written in Greek. Your Aramaic Bible is therefore necessarily a translation from Greek.

      • chasuk, 21 days ago

        A cuck? Do you have anything valuable to contribute to this conversation, mate?

      • max, 21 days ago

        I am sharing my extensive notes and research and sources on this subject. I am not sure why that is a bad thing, I kind of feel like youre just here to troll

      • deusvult, 21 days ago

        your entire argument hinges on a vague and unconvincing interpretation of one particular word

        mine hinges on being obviously right and the people who are doing what is obviously a sin tend to be miserable and full of pain

        the Bible says "do this and your life will be bad." they're doing it. their …

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    • gabbykman, 22 days ago

      DEUSVULT fair questoins and points but share source

    • dwrightmartin5, 22 days ago

      What about the fact the majority need toys to be inserted to get off?

      • servandorosario, 21 days ago

        I'm pretty sure you uneducated on physiology. Gay men and straight men have the same physiology.

    • gigi, 22 days ago

      Post the facts afterwards!

    • ldempsy, 22 days ago

      get him @max

      • dwrightmartin5, 22 days ago

        When god said that a woman only equal to man in spirit to uphold the law.

        • dwrightmartin5, 22 days ago

          Because god said women are equal to man in spirit makes the law equal to them as is the same in men. So when he said man is not to lie with a man as he would with a woman it is equal in visa versa.

        • yaz, 22 days ago

          Leave a video comment @max

          • yaz, 22 days ago

            Thank you both for this! It was certainly informative

          • max, 22 days ago

            He sure does use the word "facts" a lot for a guy with no supporting evidence :P For actual facts, my article below outlines this topic excellently with a variety of reputable sources

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              I have been posting links to support everything I said during the debate; your choosing not to read them doesn't mean they aren't there.

            • lachiesfknfacebook, 21 days ago

              BRO YOU CAN'T USE YOURSELF AS A SOURCE YOU'RE STUPID

          • ericguillermoguzman, 22 days ago

            Pretty sure it's a sin in Christianity.

            • max, 22 days ago

              Here's that article which I wrote

              americablog.com/2015/04/god-fine-marriage-equality.html

            • ericguillermoguzman, 22 days ago

              1) Old languages tend to be very limited when trying to make a very unique proposition. Trying to redefine translations doesn't serve any purpose, no one would agree there are such things as perfect translations.
              2) The point of condemning homosexuality and every other type of sexuality and sexual …

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            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              of course it is, it's a sin in every religion

            • max, 21 days ago

              I cited ancient Rabbinic sources agreeing with my definitions at every turn so Im not sure what you think Im "redefining". Do you know more about ancient Hebrew than the Targums?

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              no but I clearly know more about how to dress properly than you do :^)

          • deusvult, 22 days ago

            and by the way here are some sources for my comments on "down low brothers"

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-owens/gay-black-men-its-time-to_b_6370398.html

            https://dlconfessionssequel.com/

            http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TIMC7TEI2LVMSOFHV

            It is real and it is dangerous

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            • max, 22 days ago

              I will let your sources speak for themselves. The only one half reputable disagrees with your worldview.

            • max, 22 days ago

              Still waiting on the lesbians not existing source

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              75-90% of "lesbians" also have had sex with men. look at the links I posted. everything I said is accurate and the power of kek prevails

            • max, 21 days ago

              Your claim was that they are having straight sex on the side and were faking it for attention. That most lesbians HAVE HAD sex with men doesnt support that argument. Here's a link to help you out

              http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/tenses.html

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              also,

              "The only one half reputable disagrees with your worldview."

              is not actually a sentence. it contains letters, and words, but they don't mean anything in that particular order.

            • chaussette687, 21 days ago

              Apparently I'm a figment of my own imagination... and I have sex with men (that's repulsive, how do I do that and not even realize it?).

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              this is why women get paid less. not because of "muh patriarchy" but because apparently you all missed the whole scientific method lesson in high school where they explain that your own personal solipsistic experience makes no difference when it comes to the discernment of what is true and what is …

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          • deusvult, 22 days ago

            and my comment about lesbianism being a phase is constantly discussed by women going through it and within that community

            https://www.bustle.com/articles/49860-am-i-a-lesbian-or-is-it-just-a-phase-how-to-start-figuring-out-the

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            • max, 22 days ago

              But you know that SOME women having difficulty identifying their sexuality doesnt support your assertion that lesbians dont exist, theyre faking it for attention, and theyre getting straight sex on the side, right? Can you not read sources is that the issue?

              IF THEY WERE JUST DOING IT FOR ATTENTION …

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            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              I was mostly saying that as a joke but then I decided to run with it once I saw how triggered you got. i do think a vast number will return to being straight but not "all." Still very rarely leads to any kind of long term happiness though

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              also yeah most "lesbians" are sleeping with men

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              literally everything I said is right

              http://marriagepolicy.org/2012/08/homosexual-promiscuity-breeding-a-national-health-problem/

              From that last one:

              "Gay men have between 4 and 100 times more sex partners than heterosexual men. Lesbians are 4.5 times more likely to have over 50 sex partners in …

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            • gators, 21 days ago

              You technically didn't even say all, you said most, and Max lost his shit.

            • deusvult, 19 days ago

              of course, he can't refute anything I say so he throws conniption fits and calls me racist instead

          • chaussette687, 22 days ago

            Ugh, hide behind a mask and make unfounded claims about promiscuity and disease.

            • max, 22 days ago

              Pretty sick and cowardly. No substantiation of any kind, just throwing out homophobic, racist, and sexist lies because he could.

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              except that I posted sources about the "down low brother" epidemic that is spreading disease. i am the one trying to help; you help nobody by pretending problems aren't actually problems

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              also those aren't arguments

            • gators, 21 days ago

              Typical deflection. Can't argue the points being made so you attack appearance. Laughable.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              chaussette I wear this because secretly I look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame stop body-shaming me pls

            • chaussette687, 21 days ago

              You're ashamed of your own beliefs, that's just sad.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              you're making a logical fallacy there which I call "non argumentum"

              aka

              not an argument

          • deusvult, 22 days ago

            aaaand once again I was right. i keep posting sources to everything I was talking about, from the down low brother epidemic to lesbianism being mostly a phase to gay promiscuity. here are some links on the last one, the others are already on the page

            http://www.gayexplained.com/promiscuous/

            http://w…

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          • chasuk, 22 days ago

            This felt to me less a debate than Max presenting reasoned argument and evidence and Deusvult presenting opinion.

            • deusvult, 22 days ago

              except that I've posted links with evidence for every assertion I made. you can choose to read them, or not, but burying your head in the sand and pretending they aren't there doesn't mean I'm wrong

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Were these links posted prior to the debate, or during the course of it? I was critiquing the debate, not your retroactive linking skills.

              The (ostensible?) subject of this debate was not the relative promiscuity rates between hetero and homosexuals, nor the consequences of promiscuity. It wasn't …

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            • gators, 21 days ago

              That's funny, considering Max is citing himself as a source and Deusvult is actually citing sources for his claims. But I get why you're ignoring his posts, the SJW struggles to acknowledge opposing opinions so they ignore anything that disagrees with their world view.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              except that it wasn't and sin is specifically defined by the negative consequences it brings on the person doing it

              I posted all sources after the debate, not that you're going to read them

            • max, 21 days ago

              Good point, Chas

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Citing himself as a source? He was referencing something that he had written earlier, in which he was citing the New Testament and the Old Testament.

              I promise, I'm not a SJW, nor even close to one.

            • max, 21 days ago

              Also, for the record, James 4 defines sin as "If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them." and Luke 13 responds to people who use disaster and calamity to determine who is a sinner:

              // Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the …

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            • max, 21 days ago

              Let me know if you need theology tutoring before you debate again

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Again, I was judging you for the evidence you provided DURING THE DEBATE, not after it.

              Further, I'm not disputing your evidence, only its relevance to the proposition.

            • max, 21 days ago

              And yeah this nonsense that Im citing myself as a source indicates that you didnt read it, I drop an absurd number of reputable citations in that article.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              sounds good fam, let me know if you need an adult to help you dress before yours

          • max, 21 days ago

            I find it funny that this guy is spending half of his time talking about how he totally trold me lol topkek and the other half getting mad and posting links to blogs and (judging by the influx of him-votes and ignorant comments) spamming this on his white supremacy forums.

            For a 1337 trolol he sure …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              I'm winning according to the polls on YOUR website. let me guess...Russian Hackers did that?

            • max, 21 days ago

              I posted this comment when I had 2/3rds of the vote. Then there was a sudden surge of voters and commenters in your favor which did not correlate in a surge of video views which tipped you over the edge by a few percent. Now, left alone and with no marketing from me, my lead has built back up …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              lmao @ "white supremacy boards"

              how can you even call yourself a logical debater with these gigantic leaps of the imagination and petty attempts at shaming tactics?

              btw I'm born and raised Jewish so I don't think those boards would accept me. now that I think of it your personal attacks are coming …

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          • akyriak, 21 days ago

            I thought you were saving this debate for me Max? :) Anyways it's good to know your thoughts on the subject, however I still heartily disagree with you and wish I could have tackled you first.
            Blessings.

            • max, 21 days ago

              I would love to have an educated debate with someone like you on this subject sometime :D

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              why are you so scared to discuss the "down low brother" epidemic I mentioned and posted evidence for? Is such a courageous debater as yourself afraid of uncomfortable truths?

          • chasuk, 21 days ago
            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              The old testament is irrelevant to Christianity, why are you even mentioning it?
              It's a sin, but so is "masturbating" and "divorce", you should have focused on it not mattering and Jesus forgiving such instead of debating that it wasn't a "sin".

              Man created the bible, sin is man's law...not God's …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              wrong

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @deusvult Clarify, 10 Commandments is the Divine Law, not the human narrated bible.

            • jameson14, 21 days ago

              That was great @chasuk

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Thank you, @jameson14!

              :-)

            • deusvult, 19 days ago

              @chasuk the one point I will grant you from the video is that my opponent and I did not agree on a definition ahead of time; however, I defined it by both "things God said not to do" and the consequences of doing so anyway, both of which are supported Biblically, so my opponent's complete failure …

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            • chasuk, 19 days ago

              @deusvult, comments like this one don't serve you well in a debate community. Don't sabotage the esteem you earned by doing well in your first debate – because you _did_ do well.

              QallOut is a unique debate site. There has never been a site quite like it, in fact. Its founders care about debate as …

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          • servandorosario, 21 days ago

            Your opening point was entirely about the Torah, a text of a DIFFERENT religion of the subject matter. That's when you lost, at the start, arguing about the text if a religion irrelevant to the debate.

            • max, 21 days ago

              The Torah is the first five books of the Christian Bible. Why is so much of this conversation basic lessons in religion

            • max, 21 days ago

              The Tanakh is the Jewish holy text. The Torah is the first five books of the Tanakh. The Tanakh is the Old Testament of the Christian Bible.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              on this we agree

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              max and I, I mean. it's shocking to me how few Christians apparently understand the context of their own religion or ever bother reading the Old Testament their entire faith is based on

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              Christians and Catholics read 'The New Testament" not the old...any argument based off the Old is irrelevant. Yes, it's all related. But you are talking about a vast majority of Christians that disregard the "Old Testament" so why do you think that you saying it applies to the masses of Christians …

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            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Hmm? What 'different religion' would that be?

              This will certainly be news to Jewish scholars.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              The vast amounts of Christians (most certainly in America) see the New Testament as their Bible, not the Old Testament.

              This is something that has to be taken into account.

            • max, 21 days ago

              Ive worked in Christian ministry for nearly a decade and grew up in the Church and went to a Christian University and what you are saying is just false

            • max, 21 days ago

              In America many Christians are ignorant about the OT, but if you walked up to any of them on the street and asked if Genesis was in the Bible theyd say yes. Especially Young Earth Creationists, who are still a powerful political force in this nation.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              If you poll Christians about which is their bible, 9/10 will say the new testament.

              Christians see the New Testament as their bible...not the Old...This isn't opinion. Whether the fact is there or not, this is the common perception,

              What have you to say about the direction of your argument, and …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              Christians who "disregard the Old Testament" are ignorant of their own religion and have no idea what they're practicing, why it matters, or where it comes from. Sheer stupidity.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              I agree. The Old Testament is the is the Christian Translation of Hebrew matters, not Christian matters itself. Yes we learn about Moses, yes we learn about Noah...but they are not seen as Christian figures. It relates, but if the common perception of Christians is that they relate to the New …

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            • max, 21 days ago

              Over 40% of Americans and 64% of evangelicals hold to a view of the origin of the universe which is firmly rooted in a specific interpretation of Genesis. You are saying that most Christians dont consider Genesis to be part of their Bible. Statistically that is a false statement. Be better

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              It's not up to the rest of us to speak to you in your ignorance, it's up to you to catch up to speed with the religion you claim to be practicing. Without the Old Testament nothing in the New Testament matters. Do you even understand why Jesus was considered so controversial?

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Two points.

              First, Christians and Catholics are not distinct groups, except for in the sense that all Catholics are Christians, whereas all Christians are not Catholics.

              Second, 'Christians' read the Bible, Old Testament inclusive. Maybe you don't, or the denomination of which you are a member …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              "Christians and Catholics are not distinct groups"

              Wrong. They both use the Bible as a foundation, but Catholics also follow many non-scriptural sources and openly engage in what real Christians easily recognize as heresy and borderline idolatry.

            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              Are you saying that Catholics are not Christians?

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @max I don't know where you learned statistics hun, but 40% isn't a majority nor are Evangelicals the majority of Christians...

              You still haven't commented on focusing that man made scripture (aka the bible) isn't deemable as unforgivable sin, and that this argument could have been directed to …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              Servandorosario you have literally no idea what you're talking about. The 10 Commandments are like the Biblical Bill of Rights--the first 10 of over 600 Commandments. Thank you for proving exactly why it's important for Christians to understand the Old Testament. Please pick up a Bible and …

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            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              The 10 Commandments are the ONLY scripture classified as "DIVINE LAW", this is fact. Everything else, has been stated by MAN...not God.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              Jesus would be rather disappointed in you @deusvult

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              Wrong again.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @deusvult

              "According to Exodus in the Old Testament, God issued his own set of laws (the Ten Commandments) to Moses on Mount Sinai. The Ten Commandments are considered divine law because God himself revealed them. And because they were spelled out specifically with no room for ambiguity, they’re …

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            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              You assert that human law (the Bible) is not equal to God's Law (the 10 Commandments, revealed to us in the Old Testament), and you do so based on Exodus in the Old Testament? While also maintaining that Christians don't read the Old Testament?

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              The 10 Commandments is the common law of Christianity/Catholicism @chasuk . The 10 Commandments are no way comparable to the depths that is The Old Testament. (I've also mentioned the 10 Commandments being present in the Old Testament on this page, so I've acknowledged the irony)

              Let's just focus …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              Chasuk, that's what I'm saying. He is an extremely confused person.

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              Ignoring content to make unsubstantiated smart ass quips. I don't know about you, but I've performed in actual debates...and that tactic doesn't get you a win...

              You've ignored a blatant question. God's Divine Law defines sin. Comparing human word to the word of God is taking his name in vain, …

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            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              @servandorosario, whether or not "the Christian God ... mention[s] homosexuality [as] being a sin in his divine laws" is outside the scope of any dialogue I was having with you.

              Sorry, but I don't have time for rabbit holes tonight.

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            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              How is it outside the scope of the dialogue if it was my main point? I'm not asking to validate my argument, I'm asking for your thoughts on it. No need to be petty...@chasuk

              You refusing to acknowledge an argument isn't "outside the scope", and refusing to engage in such in an actual moderated …

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            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              It might have been your main point, but it wasn't the point I addressed. And I wan't being petty, I was being truthful. Politely truthful, even.

              However, I've taken care of my obligations for tonight, and I don't have to be to bed for several hours. I now have time to approach rabbit holes without …

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            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @chasuk Well I apologize for not taking your "time" comment as not literal and rather as a petty quip...in a generally pettiness filled debate culture...it's understandable that I did, though I still apologize for such.

              If we define (as in the common definition) Divine Law as the Law coming from …

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            • chasuk, 21 days ago

              From my current perspective, the entire Bible is a 'Human Account," so I'm less entertained by theorizing which pits one human-authored construct against another.

              Thanks for the chat, @servandorosario.

              Ta for now!

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            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              Yeah @chasuk , yeah I realized the irony that even the "10 Commandments" is a human account myself, I was hoping you'd not take that opportunity...but I'm arguing based on the Christian belief (as provided by theory I've sourced above) that the only "Divine Law" is that of 10 Commandments.

              Forget …

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            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              you are a heretic

              repent and be saved

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @deusvult Sit on my face.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              i'd rather throw you in the Iron Maiden

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              @deusvult kinky ;)

            • servandorosario, 21 days ago

              P.S. I love when Protestants mock Catholics...

              Your founder deviated from Catholicism because he
              wanted to bang and behead multiple wives. Yet...Catholics are heretics...LOL

            • deusvult, 19 days ago

              @chasuk I would not necessarily define Catholics as Christian. there is too much ceremonial magick and non-scriptural influence for my liking. That said, their belief in the death and resurrection of Christ makes them TECHNICALLY Christians whether I think they're heretics or not

              which by the way …

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            • chasuk, 19 days ago

              There are quite a few definitions of 'Christian.' By the only definition relevant to me — the anthropological one — Catholics are Christians.

              You can propose this as a debate topic if you want, and I might be interested, depending on how the proposition is framed.

            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @chasuk I might. If I did, it would be framed as the truth which is that Catholics are just modern-day Pharisees and do not represent what Christ taught. Not that most Protestants do, either...

            • chasuk, 4 days ago

              @deusvult, the proposition that "Catholics are just modern-day Pharisees" would be harder to defend. I suggest restricting yourself to your latter proposition, that Catholics do not represent what Christ taught.

            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @chasuk Yeah that will probably be easier. I might do this. The next one I just offered is about the Leftist media normalizing pedophilia and its connection to PizzaGate.

            • chasuk, 4 days ago

              @deusvult, again, I think you are attempting too much. I suggest that you tackle leftist media's normalization of pedophilia and the Pizzagate conspiracy theory separately.

            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @chasuk Calling it a "conspiracy theory" is exactly what I'm talking about. They're promoting terms like that and "fake news" around it, while promoting pedophilia through their psyops outlets like Vice and Salon, in order to distract from the scandal of the century.

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            • chasuk, 4 days ago

              @deusvult, real conspiracies exist. The term conspiracy theory denotes those theories that haven't been proved. I understand that it is usually dismissive and derogatory, but that's not how I'm using it here. If you'd prefer substituting it for a different term, please suggest one.

              In the interim, …

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            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @chasuk "Conspiracy theory" was a term developed by the CIA to discredit narratives they didn't want floating around in the public's mind. Anything the Leftist media bends over backwards to call a "conspiracy theory" is probably true:

              http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/24/the-term-conspiracy-th…

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            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              If you'd like, you can accept my debate on the topic and we can discuss it then.

            • chasuk, 4 days ago

              @deusvult, I don't see your debate on the topic.

            • gigi, 4 days ago

              @chasuk @deusvult I suggest you try to narrow down the topic to make the conversation more meaningful. Looking forward to it!

            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @gigi I think a bunch of sick, depraved animals raping children in the highest halls of political power--and a media that defends them at every turn--is pretty much as meaningful a conversation as anyone could have.

            • deusvult, 4 days ago

              @chasuk It's there, I offered it yesterday or two days ago.

          • servandorosario, 21 days ago

            This has been a fun royal rumble.

            • deusvult, 21 days ago

              This thread has now received more attention and comments in less than 3 hours, than all but apparently one other debate has gotten in 3 MONTHS. Deus Vult!

              • tayrobb57, 21 days ago

                Please read my comment below. If you are going to be on this site, you need to educate yourself on the rules of logic and the validity of arguments.

              • deusvult, 21 days ago

                your comment is meaningless anecdotes easily disproven by the statistics and figures I've already posted twice on this page, supporting literally every aspect of the argument that I made during this debate. good game

            • tayrobb57, 21 days ago

              Let me clarify some things about the "problems that the homosexual community has" as stated by deusvult:

              The disease: are you referring to HIV/AIDS? Because this is not a disease limited to just the homosexual community. I would be the same for me to say that the heterosexual community is not …

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            • deusvult, 18 days ago

              I'd like once more to point out that on this very page, I posted links over and over to support what I said about the "down low brother" epidemic, the fact that most lesbians are also sleeping with men, homosexual promiscuity, and black heterosexuals having far more STDs than white ones.

              My …

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              • nellyj, 8 days ago

                The debate shifted very quickly, as often happens, away from the specific topic itself and didn't really get back to it. Max did the vast majority of the speaking but much of what he did was simply call D's assertions 'ridiculous'. What IS rather ridiculous to me that anybody would even argue …

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              • camx001, 8 days ago

                As someone who agrees with Deusvult, he did a severly lacking job of arguing the case.

                • deusvult, 6 days ago

                  @camx001 I really didn't though

                • deusvult, 6 days ago

                  @camx001 I quoted from both the Old and New Testament, as well as highlighting the abundantly obvious fact that people living a sinful lifestyle are being punished--and NOT living the blessed kind of life one would expect from someone following God's commandments.

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