Woodox is being completely ridiculous.
Woodox, have you ever even been out of the country? Israel was ESTABLISHED through force. Everything else stems from that original sin.
@kco1985 Yes, I've been to Japan, Germany, Isreal, Palestine, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, and Honduras. At what point was Isreal established by force?
Palestine the military aggressor hahahahahahahaha wtf! This c*nt is brainwashed beyond repair
Zero Arab democracies? Dude, you're just flat out stupid
Thank you for these facts, @woodox87 Good stuff!
@Woodox I agree with you but you cannot disregard what the @rydawson is saying about attacks that have been triggered by Israel
@riley88 The attacks were not triggered by Israel. They may have been intensified by Israel's actions, but defending yourself from an onslaught of terrorism is not disregarding anything. Occupation is not illegal, terrorizing an occupational forces is not justifiable. Ryans argument is that Palestinian terrorism is okay because Isreal is in their land. No, it's not okay. Now, this isn't to say that Israel is blameless, and some IDF troops haven't committed some terrible acts out of racism or strict nationalism, but that the over all aggressor, the national responsible for the most illegal acts, terrorism, murder, ect., is Palestine.
All religions recognize that Jews are the original owners of this land!
cause all the religions come from the Jews you dope
History doesn't. Thats like saying Egypt used to be part of Greece. Philistines were in Palestine before the Hebrerw entered the area
Lol, bullshit. The israeli Jews have originally come from Europe and New York. They cannot trace their ancestry back to that land. According to your argument, the whole world would be in disarray if we could all move back to where we may or may not have come from. Guess I can move to Africa because Science said I could!
@woodox87 watch the mini series "The promise".. really good to understand who started the terrorism in the region.. and it's not the Arabs I'm afraid
Dude is so full of shit
So are you saying that the Bible is wrong?
No I'm saying what he thinks the history of Israel Palestine conflict is is completely wrong.
God doesnt write books...Jewish men wrote the bible and surprise surprise they are gods chosen people......derp
The Bible doesn't include all the land promised to israel as ever being part of israel, David had a kingdom in Hebron thats all.
BOOOM RYDAWSON WITH THE KO
how can the native americans not have a claim over america like isreal does over that land then?? tell me my fellow faggots
This guy woodox is an absolute moron
He has the Alan Dershowitz view of "history", completely false!! What a joke!
Dr. Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard. If he agreed with Ryan, I'm sure you'd be quoting him and tapping his credentials. Give credit where credit is due.
Who's translations of the Quran is he quoting? Dershowitz's?
Abdullah Ibn' Abbas
Ryan: "I don't blame religions or people of a particular group. I blame governments that committed the crime."Woodox: "You have a problem with religion"C'mon now.
Straw man. That wasn't my argument.
You literally tell him he has a problem with religion when he never says religion was the problem. You're the one who straw manned.
So why is ISIS attacking Muslim states and not Israel then? Wouldn't they Attack the Jews in Israel first based on your logic woodox?
Woodox: "You cannot derive slavery from christianity because it was something that happened all over the world."So why do we derive murder, riots, religious fanaticism, and terrorism from Islam if those are present before and without it?
@ericguillermoguzman I thought that was an interesting statement because he failed to take into consideration that people all over the world have different justifications for slavery.
@ericguillermoguzman that isn't what I argued. Religious zealotry, murder, enslavement, ect., are not biblical teachings, on contrary, they are strictly forbidden. If I wrote you an email asking you to send me your home address and you send me a picture of your favorite shirt, we'd all be blown away at how you justified yourself in light of my request.You can try to justify any behaviorby skewing the rules you swear you were following. But notice something, every ideology has attempted to justify their cruelty. Atheists have the Killing Fields of Cambodia, and the French Revolution;, Muslims have more than I can count, Christmas have the inquisition, ect. The difference here is that the Qu'ran explicitly calls for the killing, rape, torture, of people under almost every umbrella of behavior. Allah extends forgiveness to Muslims, under very few circumstances; the Christian God extends forgiveness to everyone under all circumstances.
@woodox87 "Are not biblical teachings". Well slavery and polygamy and homophobia are taught by the Bible but we don't blame the Bible for the existence of those either. You missed my point.
I'm not a fundamentalist Christian. I simply know what the Bible teaches, unlike Ryan. He paints me as one to argue that I'm arguing for Israel because which, except that I don't.
Your argument essentially boils down to "the Jews are awesome because the Bible says so, so Israel HAS TO be right, regardless of the facts."I've been there too. Your friends in the IDF are lying to you just like you lied throughout the debate. I've seen what the IDF does to civilians.
@kco1985 No, that would not be my argument, that's a strawman, and a poor one. My arguement was that Isreal isn't breaking any international laws, they are defending themselves from a hostile invader, and every right to occupy that land. Ryan, and what seems you, ignore the hostilities and terror acts against Isreal, which is what the entire problem currently is.You've seen what IDF does to civilians? You're a liar. See how that works? I can just simply dismiss your anecdotes for the sake of argument? I never once lied, and you or Ryan have no grounds to make such a baseless accusation.
Ryan won hands down.
@kco1985 yes, Ryan won because has the the truth on his side
Woodox is the definition of a tool
Good job Ry
Ryan you schooled this christian with his twisted world view. It's the palestinians that drop depleted uranian and phosphorus bombs on the Israelis right? Idiotic!
I'm a Christian who believes Israel is a cancer on United States foreign policy and we should have zero ties to them. I guess you could call me a Ron Paul Christian.
He said you should read the Quran... well maybe he should read the Talmud.
@jshearman93 the Qu'ran is Holy scripture to the Muslim, the Tal'mud is Jewish commentary on law. Those things are not even in the same category...
@chasuk could not have said it better...
I'm glad you have a better understanding of this than woodox, but we are talking sticks and stones against a full military. Israel does not want peace. They say one thing and do another, while the Palestinians suffer defenseless.
Taking back land I see not stealing. YOU WERE GONE FOR 3000 years AND NOW WANT BACK IN! Wow.
good job Jonathan, God have mercy on those who are caught up in the rhetoric of RyDawson....there are two stories being told and only one is being bought by the world.
It boils down to this for Palestine, WE HAVE THE LAW ON OUR SIDE. The occupation is illegal according to International Law. The siege on Gaza is illegal according to International Law. The settlements are illegal by International Law. The apartheid laws in israel are against the LAW. And according to International Law, the oppressed have a moral and legal right to resist their occupiers. Meaning we have the right to FIGHT BACK. It can't get any more simple than this. #BDS #FreePalestine
@rydawson you wooped this guy's ass hands down!
The validity of Rydawsons argument is demonstrated by the "kindness" that so many of those who agree with him are showing on these threads.
@akyriak I'd love to debate this topic if you or anyone else is interested.
@julian_cennamo possibly, I'll probably lose as I don't have a comprehensive knowledge on the subject but I can still voice my thoughts, won't be free for a while though, maybe next week
@akyriak I won't be free until next week either. Monday is great or in the evening. I live in the Eastern time zone. It could be a friendly conversation more than a contest also. Let me know what works.
Sorry woodox but Ryan crushed you into a fine powder in this debate. A little tip. Don't generalize with your "Arabs fundamentally hate jews" argument because it's generally simply true and it takes your focus off the immediate point of causation. The focus shouldn't be about what you think "is" but "why". Ryan focused on the "why" you focused on the "is" which isn't nearly as important which is "why" Ryan won this hands down. That and he just had his facts straight.
@edbrotherton he spoke about the why, being the fundamental religious motivation found in the scriptures which command the killing of Jews
@akyriak - Fundamental religious motivation is not the why since under a fundamentalist viewpoint Muslims are to kill all infidels not just Jews. What happens is that religion will used as a motivator but it's a false motivator in order to use it as a banner to recruit young and suggestible muslims to the fight. Meanwhile those doing the recruiting are almost always motivated politically.
@edbrotherton that's not true my friend, there is a deep, deep hatred for Jewish people within Muslim scriptures, particularly Jewish people.
@akyriak - This is not exactly true. When the Quran references Jews, it does so right along side christians or non-believers. There is really no different than the Christian bible when it speaks of non-believers. It's a generalization not a condemnation because of what they are but because they are not muslim. Much like the Christian bible does this must the same way. While at the same time there are passages in the Quran that refers to jews as apes but again this is not because they are Jews it's because of a broken promise. Then you have Muslim scripture such as "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them" (3:84 AYA). Regardless this doesn't take away from the point I make above. It is a fact that politics is a driving factor and the use of religion is used to recruit for these political reasons while those being recruited are believing it's for religious causes. This isn't no secret.
@edbrotherton @akyriak care to debate this Head-2-Head? We had quite a few references to religious scripts in different debates but no one has debated this specific topic!
@gigi - thanks for asking but doesn't interest me enough to debate it. My Militia issue though I'm still waiting on someone to take up the challenge
@edbrotherton thank you, I'll keep you posted in case we find someone!
Israel is a jew among nations and should be circumcised to its former land mass.
Can someone tell me where @rydawson is getting the stats about the thousands of bulldozed homes and under what circumstances this took place? Thanks
"Entire Muslim world hates the Jewish people"Um.. no. Not the all of us do.
Nearly ALL the Jews who claim the right to land in Israel are ethnic Russian/Ukranians (i.e. Ashkenazi Jews). They have zero natural right to walk into Israel and steal land from people whose families have been there for hundreds or thousands of years.