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  • 2 years ago

    Asking that everyone be respectful and open minded.and hold conclusion until the debate is over.I personally have been anxiously awaiting this event. And I thank you both for stepping up and opening the discussion live .

  • 2 years ago

    Audience: reply to this comment with questions you'd like the debaters to answer @imperatortruth & @benmouse42

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz Hi, would like to know if the debaters think the LGBT, now LGBTP (P, for paedeophile) is an acceptable addition to an adult sexual identity acronym? Do they think that LGBT is/was an Agenda for acceptance for pedeophilia? Do they think that paedeophilia is acceptable?

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong are you serious? they actually added pedophilia to the acronym? that is so messed up.

    • 2 years ago

      @avtmht96 ........yes, I just saw this yesterday on another post, a poster ad w LGBTP w/ Mars and Venus glyphs above it, as if a man n woman couple would accept this (P).

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz In 2016 ICE & Homeland Security arrested 1,952 people for sex trafficking. In one year almost 2000 people arrested for trafficking little boys and girls in America. How can we deny that there is a paedophile ring running out of Washington? There is a paedophile ring running throughout the world, we’d be ludicrous to think it wasn’t running out of Washington DC as well. Why is Washington immune to the global child trafficking crisis?

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz Hi my question is: In 2016 ICE & Homeland Security arrested 1,952 people for sex trafficking. In one year almost 2000 people arrested for trafficking little boys and girls in America. How can we deny that there is a paedophile ring running out of Washington? There is a paedophile ring running throughout the world, we’d be ludicrous to think it wasn’t running out of Washington DC as well. Why is Washington immune to the global child trafficking crisis?

    • 2 years ago

      @beckyknight New York time

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong Hi there.
      No I don't. I've never heard anyone attempt to add P to the acronym. Paedophilia is a crime and should not be associated with any other adult sexual identities

    • 2 years ago

      @beckyknight Hi Becky. This might be a different debate. My position in the debate is not claiming that there is no paedophilia happening at all in the US, rather, I am claiming only that the "Pizzagate" conspiracy that there is a child sex ring run out of a pizza shop that involves senior democrats is incorrect.

      The other thing which is a bit deceptive about the stat is that child sex trafficking and paedophilia rings aren't always strictly the same thing (sounds crazy I know). But the short explanation is, having looked this up and read many of the stories, the victims were usually kidnapped as teenage girls and sold as if they were adults. Obviously still abhorrent, but not really what the pizzagate conspiracy is about.

    • 2 years ago

      I've done a bit more research, there are definitely also stories of child sex trafficking. But usually its more pimps who kidnap/coerse children and sell to strangers as opposed to the pizzagate claim of a group of the same democrats all partaking as customers and kidnappers. Hopefully Titus can clear up what the exact claim is in the debate

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong Just exactly what do all those lstters stand for?

    • 2 years ago

      @22clk64 LGBT: lesbian, gay, bi n transgender, I believe

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz What do you think are the implications for the Global Society should it be exposed that the elite, the monarchy, the vatican and even politicians - are murderous pedophiles?

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz no, fuck no, who the fuck added a p for pedophilia and where the hell are you getting this from?
      LGBTQ stands for adult, CONSENSUAL sexual acts, consent is the key! Children can not consent to sex, therefore there is no place for advocating for so-called "rights" of pedophiles! The suggestion that pedophiles should be looped in with the queer community is preposterous. Again, it is all about CONSENT. CONSENTING ADULTS may do whatever they wish sexually. Adults forcing their fetishes upon children are abusive, violent, and should be prosecuted and stigmatized!

    • 2 years ago

      @hannah_kristian ......Saw LGBTP, "P" for pedo, as described, posted in a FB group, in a poster/advert..... It's has since been
      removed , I assume because of its overt implication and outrage it instills to the "normal" folks.

  • 2 years ago

    I'm in. Looking forward to it. Setting my *reminder.

  • 2 years ago

    Hi, would like to know if the debaters think the LGBT, now LGBTP (P, for paedeophile) is an acceptable addition to an adult sexual identity acronym? Do they think that LGBT is/was an Agenda for acceptance for pedeophilia? Do they think that paedeophilia is acceptable?

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong Only if the P stands for "please hang that person from a tree in full view of the public as a warning to other child abusers."

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong Hi there.
      No I don't. I've never heard anyone attempt to add P to the acronym. Paedophilia is a crime and should not be associated with any other adult sexual identities

    • 2 years ago

      @benmouse42 well yes bc pedophilia is a NON CONCENSUAL CRIME against children. Why would anyone imagine that it is the same as bisexuality or being trans? My being a bisexual means I consent to sex with both genders when and where I chose! Children can't choose that! Hell. This topic pisses me off.

    • 2 years ago

      @hannah_kristian ...... this LGBT is a systematic 'bi-product' of an infiltration, an agenda to 'temper' the nature of sexuality from the original nature of sexuality of man and woman from the beginning....... w that said, does it mean that LGBT's are not good? No, it doesn't. Love (also meaning comfort and freedom, among other 'things' no matter what sexuality. Love is Love. Obviously, no pedo- which is UNACCEPTABLE. Adults in appropriate, respectful consensual sexual relationships. Love can not exist without Respect. If you are a pedo, you should practice within your own group without children! Well, with everything said and done, are there are now two sides of 'natural' sexuality? Yes, I believe so....... LGBT is a result.

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong No offence but this is the kind of sloppy slippery slope argument used by the catholic church to try and suggest that gay marriage leads to bestiality.

      As @hannah_kristian points out. The fundamental difference is the violation of consent.

      I'm not quite sure what you mean by the 'nature' of sexuality. There are plenty of instances of homosexual animals in the natural world and no evidence to suggest that socialisation affects sexuality. (unless your one of the radical leftists who believes we're all born bi and are taught to be straight)

    • 2 years ago

      @benmouse42 .......I would be coming from the Christian side of things but doesn't mean I don't borrow from other philosophies, including, Santanism, Lucifarian, and Krishna consciousness...... etc. As long it's fits into Respect and Love as my focus. I don't imply anything that is evidential in the first place, scientifically. I don't assume anything as a practice. I do agree w the consent comment, as I stated in my reply back to hannah_kristian. I even went a step further and suggested that the pedo's (adults) subscribe themselves in they're own group of sexual practices, without children. I believe that nature has been saturated w alternate infiltrated sexuality, in that it seaped into the animal kingdom, from many ages of this conflict, here on Earth. I don't really conform to labels, unless they're from myself. I'm an Independent. As a "Christian", I appreciate diversity......including my focus on Yin/Yang original nature...... I don't have a "tolerence" issue as long as everyone and everything is happy. As a screenwriter, I have a main character, a
      straight women w her best friend being a gay male.....
      The same play, a
      "genderless" person, being "past the sex thing" and 'wants venture off into the Universe' ........ I don't necessarily believe that we are born "bi" but I am aware that we are all curious.

    • 2 years ago

      @benmouse42 ......By the way, thank you for 'sticking your neck out' there, it's very big of you ....... I'm very appreciative of the open dialogue re this outrageous and monumental topic.

    • 2 years ago

      @nwinstonarmstrong Sa'll good, I generally just believe conversations are better had then not had.

      I'm not really concerned with fitting you into a label (or suggesting any level of intolerance) but I am genuinely puzzled as to the causality of your arguments.

      The main claim that confuses me is the idea "that nature has been saturated w alternate infiltrated sexuality, in that it seaped into the animal kingdom, from many ages of this conflict, here on Earth"

      What confuses me about this is that it seems to presuppose what natural sexuality is then assert any deviation of it is infiltration without any causality. I can't think of any reason why human conflict would alter the reproductive preferences of the animal kingdom and would think it is a very bold claim to make. Could you elaborate on how you believe this to work?

    • 2 years ago

      @benmouse42 .......I don't really think that it really deals with the reproduction issue anymore, or stems from that (cloning and transhumanism). I believe it stems from a psychological disorder (jealousy from, pre Earth time). Where anything of Love (Original, Yin/Yang nature and God Creation has been a miniacle systematical breakdown to a eventual casualty of Humanity.

  • 2 years ago

    There was this video about pizzagate/comet pizza cover-up.......This guy, doing his own research, called WikiLeaks, who debunked it and they said there was an investigation, he called the d.c. police and they said there was no investigation......The video is now unavailable (this was a couple of days ago).........The guy wanted people to email the DHS regarding this and request an investigation.

    • 2 years ago

      EST time in What Country and City? I am in Australia and I do not want to miss this!!!!!

      • 2 years ago

        I think I worked it out right it should be in Australia Sunday 1pm, but I will be checking CONSTANTLY. I will not miss this. THANK YOU YOU AWESOME MAN TITUS FROST

        • 2 years ago

          Hi my question is: In 2016 ICE & Homeland Security arrested 1,952 people for sex trafficking. In one year almost 2000 people arrested for trafficking little boys and girls in America. How can we deny that there is a paedophile ring running out of Washington? There is a paedophile ring running throughout the world, we’d be ludicrous to think it wasn’t running out of Washington DC as well. Why is Washington immune to the global child trafficking crisis?

        • 2 years ago

          Can someone explain why O'bama bought $65,000 worth of Hot Dogs when the White House doesn't have food brought in?

          • 2 years ago

            Excited to know what someone does with a pizza for an hour

            • 2 years ago

              Please go over some of the strange comments on Alafantis' instagram photos.

              • 2 years ago

                I'd like to see you guys debate the kill room as well as the tunnels

                • 2 years ago

                  To be clear which tunnels I'm talking about the secret passageways

                  • 2 years ago

                    Where's the debate can't find the live stream

                    • 2 years ago

                      Am I doing something wrong I see nothing going on?

                      • 2 years ago

                        Is this going to start anytime soon?

                        • 2 years ago

                          Stand by everyone @imperatortruth is on the wrong page... he will be here in a few minutes

                        • 2 years ago

                          Please go over bif skipman and the 35 wifi signals coming from under a concrete slab and thousand dollar broken hard drives on ebay

                          • 2 years ago

                            The Pegasus Museum is another bit of strangeness

                            • 2 years ago

                              This is great

                              • 2 years ago

                                That was removed and changed before the media attention got large

                                • 2 years ago

                                  Not sure why this topic is even topic. My professional background is in "protecting children"... Have bachl/mast and hold Master's of Sciece in Social Work. Every sysmbol is exactly what they want them to portray.

                                  • 2 years ago

                                    Have you not seen the building close up? And 2 guys on corner of park taking video of children via Google earth? And it was pointed out to me which if you scope down to right bottom corner of back garage type door there are clearly blood staind. Blood stains on concrete. And slope going down to drain. This is all public though GE

                                    • 2 years ago

                                      What about Julian Assange/WikiLeaks precarious situation........My comment here, yesterday, re WikiLeaks telling an independent investigator that the "comet pizza" is debunked. He then ask the d.c. DHS, under the info act, that there's was no investigation....... WikiLeaks, lied about that......The independent investigator's video taken off w/in a day.......... Why was Max Spiers assisinated? He was at the heart of this military/Government affiliations w M. Aquino?

                                    • 2 years ago

                                      Wrong! Pedos post things all the time that hint at the available of resources or material.

                                      • 2 years ago

                                        If you are considered the 49th most powerful man in DC you are able to flaunt your dirt and feel untouchable. But he's not he's guilty AF

                                        • 2 years ago

                                          @waitingworlds sure but one man alone (even if 49th most important) cannot cover such a huge scandal, correct? so it means that you have hundreds of people involved in this. And if Bill Clinton who used to be the #1 most important person in the world could not cover up his sex scandals, why would the #49th be able to do so?

                                        • 2 years ago

                                          @riley88 yeah indeed there are a lot more involved than we would like to imagine and Bill and Monica was nothing but a distraction from their other scandals, lol. A BJ under the desk isn't quite the same as being involved in a trafficking ring.

                                        • 2 years ago

                                          @waitingworlds agreed but that's why I think that it would have been easier to cover a BJ rather than such a horrible scandal.

                                      • 2 years ago

                                        These adults all have serious childhood backgrounds. They do not think like we do. Their wiring got screwed up early in life and that is why we cannot comprehend. This is why it is so difficult to even imanige how this could even be possible.

                                      • 2 years ago

                                        Why are there cages under the stairs In the picture of Tony Podesta with his decapitated sculpture?

                                        • 2 years ago

                                          It's not a coincidence when all your friends bands that play at Comet Pizza use the same symbols in their music videos

                                          • 2 years ago

                                            People in govt see that filth ALL THE TIME and dont say shit about it

                                            • 2 years ago

                                              Laura silsby

                                              • 2 years ago

                                                If ever one use the phrase "There Are NO Coincidence d

                                                • 2 years ago

                                                  This is it...,"There Are NO Coincidences" here

                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                    You don't go to jefferys island 20 times and NOT know what goes on there lol

                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                      People are way too trusting of their governments lol naive

                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                        @waitingworlds sure, otherwise we would live in a jungle. So of course you need to scrutinize the government and be critical for every action they take especially regarding corruption and such serious allegations. But here you are basically saying not to trust any government body. To cover something like that, it means that every government, media, law, etc body is corrupt which questions our trust to the system and current democracy

                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                      Yes Titus... "Plausible Deniability'!!!!

                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                        Ted Gunderson!!!!! FELL ON HIS SWORD HE WAS FBI

                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                          Down load a free "sex offender" app & type Jeffery Epstein. Convicted

                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                            The best way to hide something is out in the open. In addition, Isis has pages on twitter and facebook that are open to the public. So it doesn't matter how many people are in on this because plenty have good lawyers.

                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                              It takes time to make arrests..will get a bigger conviction and one that will stick by ,",follow the money,"

                                                              • 2 years ago

                                                                Laura Silsby doe

                                                                • 2 years ago

                                                                  That is BC they are doing their job

                                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                                    Ben doesn't understand the depth of corruption among the elite. I personally knew a girl who was assaulted by a man who had everything dropped mysteriously. He didn't have near the power of the people in Washington and the police had physical evidence and an admission of guilt. Most of the legal system is embedded with the free masons.

                                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                                      @phillipsdan1982 Right, but what Ben pointed out is not corruption on at individual level. It's the fact that for something like that to be real then it means, that the whole government, democratic party, law enforcements, CIA, FBI etc are ALL corrupted

                                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                                    The Finder's cult was let go by the CIA in the 80s

                                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                                      Ben swanns disappearance sent a child through the media.

                                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                                        They want the conviction to stick... Follow money...takes time

                                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                                          Is this an audio of podesta in a domineering session with a child? Disturbing. http://worldcorpo.net/content/video/fatherhood.webm

                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                            Sorry. They are investigating...long trail

                                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                                              Many are dead or indoctrinated.

                                                                              • 2 years ago

                                                                                He literally told you about a victim already dude. The guy who used to work at comet pizza who was abused by Alefantis.

                                                                              • 2 years ago

                                                                                Comet Pizza is just one piece of the puzzle that was irresponsible in sharing their hints.

                                                                                • 2 years ago

                                                                                  Phillip, yes. Just young and not experienced enough yet.

                                                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                                                    Ben swann did story cbs 46 now disappears. And it's definitely a pattern of people who investigate or who are going to testify about anything having to do with Clinton have a tendency to end up dead

                                                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                                                      The tunnels are well documented

                                                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                                                        What about #killroom?

                                                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                                                          The authorities are investigating...

                                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                                            Burglary is what you are endorsing. It is a second degree felony.

                                                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                                                              People do not understand the process when dealing with a case on this level...

                                                                                              • 2 years ago

                                                                                                It's funny how people think the world is sunshine and bunnies

                                                                                                • 2 years ago

                                                                                                  How do they know there isn't a tunnel in Bucks basement if the FBI experts don't investigate and examine it?? Pizzagate SHOULD be investigated, that is ALL I am saying! We would be BREAKING THE LAW if we went into the basement at Bucks, it is private property and not open to the public?????

                                                                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                                                                    People die around Clinton constantly

                                                                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                                                                      all need to Google earth. Blood on concrete. 2 guys on corner filming children

                                                                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                                                                        Because if they kill every youtubers exposing Pizzagate they'd be proving it is real. David Seamans facebook was hacked and shortly after a female friend that was in his photos had her house broken into and stabbed to death.

                                                                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                                                                          Love to all, peace out.

                                                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                                                            Nwin....absolutely you are correct

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                                                                                                              An answer for everything.......A lot of questions, that adds up to more than circumstantial......It's a no brainier.......What are taxes for, the Police have to protect n serve.......They are afraid because it's a huge scary problem......That's ridiculous that we should be breaking into places and finding tunnels......They found many tunnels everywhere already......

                                                                                                              • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                Ben did a great job but there is only so much you can do when the deck is stacked against you.

                                                                                                                • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                  Hey anyone know how to DL this debate so I can post the mirror to my YouTube channel. I thought this was a pretty solid debate.

                                                                                                                  • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                    Nwin...when said and done is going to be complicated on many levels. Just the coordination/jurisdiction issues are complicated. I have no doubt that we are about to witness a swing of takedowns.... it's about time!

                                                                                                                    • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                      Del..where the hell did that audio come from...

                                                                                                                      • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                        I am literally going to throw up...

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                                                                                                                          "There's no such thing as overwhelming circumstantial evidence"... "yeah there is, go look it up.. it's a court term".... 100% correct. I've heard a lawyer actually say it's easier to prosecute someone based on a pile of circumstantial rather than physical evidence because the latter can be planted. Character assessment, lifestyle choices, any any other form of circumstantial evidence plays a HUGE role in prosecution. In the end it's a job of convincing a jury. The kid needs to do more research before debating something he doesn't understand.

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                                                                                                                            @twitteraccount Actually I'd encourage you to look it up. The only test when you get into the court room is beyond reasonable doubt and there are many precedents of jury's failing to convict because of lack of direct evidence even when the circumstantial evidence was "overwhelming"

                                                                                                                            The most well known case of this is the OJ Simpson trial. The point here is that there isn't any legal standard known as overwhelming circumstantial evidence that guarantees or gives confidence in a conviction. So when you are the police and you need to start an investigation, this standard cannot be used to justify an investigation.

                                                                                                                            The only other thing I'd add is that much of the "evidence" presented (i.e. the pizza shop mentioned pizza in an email) wouldn't qualify as evidence anyway

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                                                                                                                            @benmouse42

                                                                                                                            Mind contacting admin at pizzagate.com? He wants to pay you for a blog contribution. We find your argument very interesting and would like to have you on.

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                                                                                                                            @twitteraccount sure I guess, cheers

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                                                                                                                            @twitteraccount @twitteraccount I'm a high school drop out....... But is it considered circumstantial, if the artwork, there in the comet pizza place has pics of sadistic scenes of children, placed on the wall? Is that evidence as to the mentality of the owner? Or is it 'art' in a restaurant?

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                                                                                                                            @benmouse42 You are wrong, in cases of sexual abuse indirect (circumstantial) and direct evidence are accepted and can be used to secure a CONVICTION. Of course we were not arguing over convictions were we? We were arguing that there was enough indirect evidence aka circumstantial evidence to require an official investigation, of which there is more than enough. Just let it go dude, you were wrong, circumstantial evidence is 100% admissible in court. Here is an article proving my point:

                                                                                                                            "Cases can be proven with either circumstantial or direct evidence. Both are welcome in court, but direct evidence is a lot more satisfying in a YouTube world where everything is caught on tape. Because sexual abuse is intrinsically a private act, direct evidence is usually only provided by the victim. As such, a lot is required of victims."

                                                                                                                            http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/convictions-sex-crimes-cases-hard-article-1.1053819

                                                                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                            @imperatortruth Hey man. It's been a month haha (ironic you're telling me to let it go?)

                                                                                                                            So obviously police don't just pile resources into anything, they rank order them in terms of things like 'how likely is it that this investigation ends in a conviction.' One of those factors is probably is there any direct evidence.

                                                                                                                            The article you posted proves this point by demonstrating how cases that rely on circumstantial evidence often fail.

                                                                                                                            So I never claimed it wasn't admissible, I just claimed that cases that have direct evidence have precedent over cases that don't and there is no legal standard called "overwhelming circumstantial evidence" that demands any particular action because there isn't.

                                                                                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                          This boy is genuinely too ignorant and naive on the subject matter to be able to have an informed debate.

                                                                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                            @ciaranschwer He's a smart kid but yes very naive, some people just can't grasp that governments can do this to their people but if you look at governments throughout history, EVERYTHING they do is to accumulate and maintain power. Government trafficking kids goes way way back and there is a ton of precedent. One hour is just way too short of a time to get into all the details of govt trafficking but it's the most lucrative business on the planet, of course the government will have their hands in it. We didn't even really get into Haiti, Laura Silsby and Operation Brownstone. Ben if you are listening and are still interested in this subject I implore you to look at George Webbs youtube channel, he has the best, sourced info about all of this and I think it's just the kind of info that would be good for a skeptic like yourself to look into. George Webb has many prolific and thorough videos connecting all of this stuff. Cheers!

                                                                                                                        • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                          You debated a person with a very naive perception
                                                                                                                          of the US

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                                                                                                                            Even if benmouse42 was being extremely annoying with his argumentative ways, this debate was extremely useful to strengthen and bulletproof this case!! Many thx to you both!! Cage to all pedos & MAGA!!

                                                                                                                          • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                            Lol Benmouse is very clueless . He is poor at debates .

                                                                                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                              The owner of besta pizza is head of a governmental child protect agency. He damn well knew what the symbol on his besta sign was. He removed it right away and if not for google street, it would have been publicly denied. This is the biggest thing that makes me think children are being exploited.

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                                                                                                                                @mwwolf6268 That's always how they work--through running or being involved with child-related "charities." Endless supply for their sick and twisted deeds.

                                                                                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                              I'm kind of in love with this guy arguing against pizza gate clearly researching and fact checking as he goes along, kudos lol

                                                                                                                            • 2 years ago

                                                                                                                              Of course it's real, and each of them deserves the rope.

                                                                                                                              • a year ago

                                                                                                                                You can watch the debate here..
                                                                                                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVq1FK__Q0Y