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  • 2 years ago

    I don't know about you specifically bubba, but all too often when I see people make arguments like this, what they rally mean is that they want left-leaning comedians to be silent. They say they don't want politics in comedy, then they laugh their asses off at Dennis Miller and Nick DiPalo(sp?). They say actors should talk about politics, while RTing Kevin Sorbo and Patricia Heaton. They say liberal singers should just "shut up and sing" while they watch Ted Nugent and Kid Rock on Fox News.

    People who say art shouldn't be political are both lying and wrong.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Im not suggesting for a moment that comedians shouldn't share their opinions and I think the likes of John Oliver and Dennis Miller have an important role.
      George Carlin for example was a great comedian. I didn't agree with all he had to say but he usually had an interesting perspective and was always entertaining.
      However, I think that it is not usually appropriate to take a partisan position in a comedy routine at a stand up show. I feel that comedian are there to entertain and make everyone laugh; not to ostracise and alienate there audience.
      This excludes comedians, however, who have always been partisan and became famous were the partisan routines. I don't so much have a problem with the speaking about their political beliefs in interviews and the like, but I don't think its appropriate to suddenly start getting political in their routines.
      I am by no means a Trump supporter, nor am I a Hillary supporter, but when comedians attempt to make jokes about either candidate they tend to be asinine and unfunny.
      An exception would maybe be Norm MacDonald who purposely makes rediculous statements which are funny because of just that.

    • 2 years ago

      @bubba Comedy and satire have actually started on the basis of criticizing public figures, mostly political ones. Not sure if you know Aristophanes (ancient Greek philosopher) and his brilliant comedies which were always targeting Athena's oligopoly. This is just an alternative and entertaining way to challenge status quo in a way that everyone understands compared to the serious biased media or politicians

    • 2 years ago

      @gigi Not sure if I'd describe Aristophanes's comedies as partisan. It was pretty much the people in charge versus everyone else. Sure Aristophane was very privelaged but its not quite the same as what I'm getting at. For example, I would have no issue with a Chinese comedian humourously criticising the peoples party.
      Also comedy and satire existed long before politicians. It existed as long as man has. Also if you look at some of the oldest jokes on record from Roman and mediaeval times they are mainly crude jokes about adultery, masturbation, and your mother type jokes.

    • 2 years ago

      @bubba at the end of the day comedians are there to make the audience laugh. If making jokes that are political/partisan in nature can do that, they should be able to. I have laughed at plenty of Trump-supporting people because what they are saying is objectively funny! You don't have to agree to laugh. It is different when jokes are downright offensive, but political jokes are the best!

  • 2 years ago

    I see what you're getting at not sure the distinction you're making between political routines and partisan routines. Especially because you said, "Im not suggesting for a moment that comedians shouldn't share their opinions".

    If they share their opinions and it happens to be on politics, then it's partisan...

    • 2 years ago

      @aidennn_tv I mean outside of their routines. If they're doing an interview with joe rogan or Howard Stern go ahead tell us you're opinion.
      I also want to stress the word generally. Obviously there are times with when political jokes are warranted. Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, etc.
      But I disagree when it stops being comedy and they use the stage as a soap box to spout dumb shit that they obviously know little about.

    • 2 years ago

      @bubba I would say that in the routines they give, even if they are making political statements, the jokes are still funny, and that to me is comedy. If they are up there giving a speech about how much Trump sucks and they don't make a joke, then they are no longer giving a comedy routine and that shouldn't happen. But look at SNL, for instance...they make political statements but their jokes are hysterical