Ok so this one's without a timer or mic control, so you two can finish whenever you feel you're done.. good luck!
Webster's dictionary defines hero as: a person who is admired for great or brave acts or fine qualities. Refusing to register for the draft because you don't believe in the war was risking imprisonment because of a strong desire to stand for your beliefs. Ali was a hero for not going.
@phillipsdan1982 you actually convinced me...with you on this one. Plus there are so many people in the military who do terrible things that should discount their "sacrifice" of enlisting.
@trentr26 we don't know all of the details of every single action of a soldier we see on the street. What we DO know is that they made the decision--whatever the motivation may have been--to risk dying for their country. The implication of that action is heroic.
Did either one of you actually enlist?
I think the military uses this appeal of "you can become a hero" to get people to enlist and I think that's so deceptive. The government wants people to think that by just enlisting you become a hero so they get more numbers, but that isn't always the case. You have great, heroic people who enlist but you also have really shitty people who enlist
@caratara you also have shitty people who throw themselves on top of a grenade to save their fellow servicemen and women–do the shitty things they've done outweigh that heroism?
@alexwrites depends on how shitty what they did was....
@alexwrites I would lean towards that being a hero and not a shithead. Someone once took a bullet for me and later on stole from me multiple times. I let it go because the good had still outweighed the bad. It would really depend how shitty they had been. If it was one of the guys sodomizing a child, he would still be a piece of shit. Most other things would easily be outweighed by the sacrifice.
@phillipsdan1982 I guess that's where it gets to be a little bit of a grey area. Who decides what actions outweighs another? If we don't have knowledge of any other actions or character traits of a person than we can still call them a hero for the things we DO know.
a lot of anecdotal evidence being thrown around here which is insufficient. That being said, @agent00mama great comparison to firefighters and the inherent risk of those jobs. Courageous may be a better word than "hero", though...
@alexwrites when your argument is to judge each case individually on the merits of the case, anecdotal evidence going both ways is the perfect way to show that.