Hey Josh. We've debated before. I'm GMT (London). Let me know. I know you like to debate early for you.
give me 10 mins. having mic problems
@bookman All good! Chuck us a holla when you're g
@bookman How's the mic situation going?
still having mic problems. 10mins
let's try it
@bookman Even though I like the passion and emotions that you bring in your debates (e.g. I'm a parent, I'm old fashioned), I don't think it's enough. You really need to try to logically support your stance with real objective arguments!
@gamergirl23 hi. thanks for commenting. know what you mean. I guess it's one of those subjects I hadn't thought about too much. I only know i'm against it. Frankly it's not the subject i really want to debate. I'm hot on Israel/Palestine, WW2 etc but struggle to get people to debate me....
@bookman I'm also old fashioned with these things. If my daughter had come to me wanting this as a minor, I would deserve a say. She would have been too young to make the decision and to fully understand the risks of surgery.
@faithandhope yeah but just like you say the minor can't understand the risks, the parents most likely can't understand what it is like to feel that you're a stranger in your body. Same difference.
@andersonisawriter it's surgery! Those are two very different things since one puts you at a major physical risk. I'm a parent. My teenager thinks he knows everything but the reality is that sometimes the parents do know best. And odds are, the parent will support their child! At worst just make them take some time to think about it and make sure it's what the kid really wants
@lisaopoku absolutely, great point. When it comes to matters of physical risk, the kids definitely don't know best the parents do
Generational differences here for sure.
I love watching you two debate. You come from such different viewpoints but you both debate so well. @bookman your perspective is definitely different on this topic since you are a parent
Feeling like a boy in a girl's body or vice versa is something that children transgender kids feel almost from birth. This gives them over 10 years worth of experience with feeling uncomfortable with their gender. Their parents don't have that experience or knowledge and therefore cannot really make a finally decision on the surgery
@riley88 ok fine kids know about that but they probably don't fully understand the actual surgery like their parents do. And what about the kids who don't grow up feeling that way and just would rather be the other gender for another reason? Parents need to step in