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  • 3 years ago

    This is a steel man debate guys :-) you'll flip sides midway through

    • 3 years ago

      oh ran out of time

      • 3 years ago

        oh well that was fun. i liked your angle about humanitarian and market effects. But I dont agree that trade is foreign policy. I say that because Businesses are free to trade with each other any way naturally business to business when government is not in the way. the only thing screwing the trade and favoring corporation so they can have monopolies are governments.

        • 3 years ago

          @rydawson it was a great debate. we're on the same side of the coin lol

          I'm very critical of US foreign policy and obviously so are you.

          Foreign policy facilitates trade deals and agreements.
          Trans Pacific Partnerships (TPP), Transatlantic Trade & Investment Partnership (T-TIP), North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and other trade agreements with more than 20 countries is a foreign policy work and not just a business to business thing.

          • 3 years ago

            @hyp The trade deals help the largest transnational corporation's and international bankers of the world trade deals do not help the member countries. When you combine these trade deals with the WTO in the IMF the member corporations dump goods on emergency economy isn't Undersound them and bankrupt them the IMF has given them short term higher interest loans. Because the country has been bankrupt and they can't pay back loans to be I am off and then they become a slave donations. In addition according to the supremacy clause in article 6 trade deal and treaties become the supreme law of the land there for legally constitutionally the member corporations are in fact the rulers of all the member countries but the United States in particular according to the supremacy clause. If you add the Supreme Court argument better Certs corporations are people with the same constitutional rights as human beings then corporations can see you under the constitution Bill of Rights the 13th and 14th amendments which were originally designed for newly freed slaves. Between corporations becoming people and their money for lobbying and campaign contributions becoming free speech and the supremacy clause legally the corporations who are Legally people legally run the country. Every trade deal since Brettonwoods should be broken in corporate personhood should be reversed through an amendment to the constitution

        • 3 years ago

          so weird to see @rydawson debate in favor of this statement...

        • 3 years ago

          America's foregin policy DOES make the world a better place and @hyp did better at debating that side for sure. I think economic/trade policy is a crucial and relevant part of this debate that you can't ignore

          • 3 years ago

            @torimarie in some aspects like providing aid in times of crisis, yes I agree. But most of the time the US is just trying to force democracy on countries that are not prepared for that kind of change which becomes violent.

          • 3 years ago

            @torimarie it depends on which lens we are using. There are several dimensions to foreign policy, and indeed the economic/trade dimension contributes positively to the welfare of the world. Also, we can't deny that US is the driving force behind enforcing democratic values and challenging autocratic rule.
            However the military/force dimension is a different story.

          • 3 years ago

            @rosa1465 Exactly. Forcing regime changes and forging the world according to the vision and needs of the US is counterproductive in many cases.

          • 3 years ago

            @hyp US foreign-policy serves the international bankers, the petrodollar, big oil, and the major corporations which form the WTO and consume whole nations through dispute resolution panels

          • 3 years ago

            @hyp fair enough, I guess it just depends on if you believe the economic side helps more than the military side hurts

        • 3 years ago

          @rydawson planes were invented in 1904, just a few years off cut him some slack haha

          • 3 years ago

            @hyp almost sounding sarcastic arguing the other side haha but this debate was awesome!

            • 3 years ago

              @lynnihendrix these Steelman debates get on my nerves lol. Switching sides in 30 seconds only after gaining momentum makes me feel hypocritical haha.

              But I like the mechanism, makes you more malleable in your approach, and sometimes sarcastic haha

          • 3 years ago

            yeeeah hyper is winning

            • 3 years ago

              Ry beat this guy defending an argument he doesn't believe in! Lol!