Tournament judges @agent00mama , @johnlanemsn & @nickbeatPlease reply to this comment and leave your judgement as a 'video comment' after you watch the debate.Please select a winner and explain your judgement. Needless to say, the judgement should be based on the performance of the debaters, not your personal opinion on the topic. Thanks in advance!
@yaz what an intriguing topic! Both pro and con had interesting points I could agree with. Overall, presentation of positions would have to go to Ben. My decision was based on communication and the ability to adress the information or topic set forth by the opponent clearly and consisly.
@jonnycontra I really cannot make up my mind on this one! I actually found both of them very good on comms and addressing points. Actually, @jb043 might have even been better on this: clear, concise, polite and recognizing when he says something wrong. Ben is a little bit more passionate lol
@aidennn_tv I felt similar I had to give it to Ben Joshes use of the words "Like" and "um" destroys syntax and muddles any valid point.
@jonnycontra that's a fair observation but I think you can still get what he's saying
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I thought gender neutrality was a totally different thing..
@jameson14 when you raise kids without forcing preconceived ideas and norms. The idea is that they’ll find their own comfort zone
It's critical to define what "gender neutral" means!
Pro-nouns would be a real problem, actually. Good point @benmouse42
@aidennn_tv exactly! How feasible it is to keep referring to your kid as "it" until it becomes a grown up to actually be able to assess and make decisions.
What's a gender-neutral pronoun? 'it'? LOL
@aidennn_tv 'my child'. Or the child's name. It can get pretty impractical though.
I think there may be a distinct difference between "gender neutral parenting" and "parenting that does not impart gender norms"
@eileesha_smith Spot on!!!!
The guy on the left clearly has the easier side of this debate, But he is also making better arguments and asking better questions
@erica_binz55 He does have an easier job mainly because @jb043 is arguing against the standard social norms which we need to start questioning at some point
@jb043 great point about kids being smart and understanding very early on... So rather than waiting for children to figure out by themselves as teenagers why not educating them and raising them with an open mind towards gender
@benmouse42 first one to disagree! Raising kids "gender neutral", i.e. without gender specific pre-conceptions, doesn't mean that they cannot/ should not decide what "stereotype" they want to follow. You just raise them with an open mindset, give them all the possible options and ensure that they know that whatever they decide is absolutely normal and acceptable. Being raised according to standard stereotypes is great for social integration if you adhere to these stereotypes but if you don't, you end up feeling marginalized and different (not in a good way) even in your own family set up
@caratara Very fair, I just think that letting kids make their own decisions is the status quo and that true gender neutral parenting is going to have to involve things like pro-nouns and insisting kids do certain activities even when they don't want to.Cheers for the feedback though
ben won by exposing the holes in this ridiculous theory and showing it is not a functional realityraising kids “gender neutral” is horrible idealism
Voting soon, see my comments below...
The pro stance was focused on naming and gender terms for the first 10 minutes. I'm not sure where he is going with that. Is he going to show how that is harmful?
So far he makes the case that gendered terms will be confusing to the non-gendered kid. I'm not seeing much harm yet.
Raising children "gender neutral" is child abuse.