Which side makes a better case?
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  • 2 years ago

    Tournament judges @agent00mama , @johnlanemsn & @nickbeat

    Please reply to this comment and leave your judgement as a 'video comment' after you watch the debate.

    Please select a winner and explain your judgement. Needless to say, the judgement should be based on the performance of the debaters, not your personal opinion on the topic. Thanks in advance!

    • 2 years ago

      @yaz what an intriguing topic! Both pro and con had interesting points I could agree with. Overall, presentation of positions would have to go to Ben. My decision was based on communication and the ability to adress the information or topic set forth by the opponent clearly and consisly.

    • 2 years ago

      @jonnycontra I really cannot make up my mind on this one! I actually found both of them very good on comms and addressing points. Actually, @jb043 might have even been better on this: clear, concise, polite and recognizing when he says something wrong. Ben is a little bit more passionate lol

    • 2 years ago

      @aidennn_tv I felt similar I had to give it to Ben Joshes use of the words "Like" and "um" destroys syntax and muddles any valid point.

    • 2 years ago

      @jonnycontra that's a fair observation but I think you can still get what he's saying

  • 2 years ago

    I see one

    • 2 years ago

      ding ding ding

      • 2 years ago

        I thought gender neutrality was a totally different thing..

      • 2 years ago

        It's critical to define what "gender neutral" means!

        • 2 years ago

          Pro-nouns would be a real problem, actually. Good point @benmouse42

          • 2 years ago

            @aidennn_tv exactly! How feasible it is to keep referring to your kid as "it" until it becomes a grown up to actually be able to assess and make decisions.

        • 2 years ago

          What's a gender-neutral pronoun? 'it'? LOL

        • 2 years ago

          I think there may be a distinct difference between "gender neutral parenting" and "parenting that does not impart gender norms"

        • 2 years ago

          The guy on the left clearly has the easier side of this debate, But he is also making better arguments and asking better questions

        • 2 years ago

          @jb043 great point about kids being smart and understanding very early on... So rather than waiting for children to figure out by themselves as teenagers why not educating them and raising them with an open mind towards gender

          • 2 years ago

            @benmouse42 first one to disagree! Raising kids "gender neutral", i.e. without gender specific pre-conceptions, doesn't mean that they cannot/ should not decide what "stereotype" they want to follow. You just raise them with an open mindset, give them all the possible options and ensure that they know that whatever they decide is absolutely normal and acceptable. Being raised according to standard stereotypes is great for social integration if you adhere to these stereotypes but if you don't, you end up feeling marginalized and different (not in a good way) even in your own family set up

            • 2 years ago

              @caratara Very fair, I just think that letting kids make their own decisions is the status quo and that true gender neutral parenting is going to have to involve things like pro-nouns and insisting kids do certain activities even when they don't want to.
              Cheers for the feedback though

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              • 2 years ago

                ben won by exposing the holes in this ridiculous theory and showing it is not a functional reality

                raising kids “gender neutral” is horrible idealism

                • 2 years ago

                  Voting soon, see my comments below...

                  • 2 years ago

                    The pro stance was focused on naming and gender terms for the first 10 minutes. I'm not sure where he is going with that. Is he going to show how that is harmful?

                  • 2 years ago

                    So far he makes the case that gendered terms will be confusing to the non-gendered kid. I'm not seeing much harm yet.

                • 2 years ago

                  Raising children "gender neutral" is child abuse.

                  • 2 years ago