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  • 2 years ago

    Good Clean Fun.
    Thanks, @alot_like_locke for the interesting conversation.

  • 2 years ago

    Lol. Israeli socialized medicine is unique because US tax payers fund it!

    • 2 years ago

      The thing with the charity emergency bill or hcap, is that it's a tax write off for the hospital as a nonprofit. So the ER is not only the most expensive form of health care, it's a service that's abused by people who could just as easily have seen a family doctor at much lower cost, but have no means to afford it. Thats socialized medicine and a real problem because it comes from tax payers. Physicians hate it, because it doesn't cover their fee, and administrative officials dispise it because it lowers the quality of service and profit margin, which they're rated on.

    • 2 years ago

      @alot_like_locke looking forward to more of your debates! You bring up some excellent points.

      @nellyj I wish I had as much faith in charitable donations as you do...

      • 2 years ago

        @gemmafree just look at the numbers and you would be. Americans are mind bogglingly generous and that's After the government steals ~50% of their income. Just inagine if they had more money to give. Most hospitals are nonprofit and run significantly on donated money. Most universities run a large portion of their budget on their endowments/donated money.
        Just name the area and private donations dwarf government funding.
        Their is no question that the private sector is not only more efficient with their donations/real charity, government wastes ~90% of every $1 it brings in for 'charity', but govt also spends the rest on politically motivated causes.

    • 2 years ago

      @nellyj great point drawing that comparison to the VA hospital system.My main argument against the socialized system is the lack of incentive. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but I don't expect people provide great service if they're not being rewarded for it...

      • 2 years ago

        @torimarie it's true. You're not pessimistic but realistic. Why do people work? To get things that make them better off. People need motivation to do anything. Yes, people are often motivated by non-monetary incentives but even those things are lacking in a socialized system as bureaucrats make all the decisions turning care givers into simple tools in the hands of paperpushers.

    • 2 years ago

      I don't necessary think socialized healthcare is the best but it is for sure not the worst! And I'm not sure that @nellyj brought up enough alternatives to compare it to to convince me that it's the worst

      • 2 years ago

        Here is a great article against Medicare For All providing the tremendous lack of payment drs face with government payments
        http://www.dailywire.com/news/14819/sanders-wants-medicare-all-here-are-9-reasons-aaron-bandler