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  • 2 years ago

    Any type of extremism, which ever side, is a threat to democracy. Labelling and marginalizing people will only lead to more extremism in both sides

    • 2 years ago

      Do you expect any white supremacist to vote "Disagree"?

      • 2 years ago

        It depends on how you're defining white supremacy.

        If it means the overthrow of the government and installing a white state, then that's illegal.

        If it's just the position that the white race is best or whatever, then it's their right to be stupid. They better just keep their actions lawful and civil.

        • 2 years ago

          So we should start thought policing people?

          • 2 years ago

            @richhobo So you want to defend Nazis?

          • 2 years ago

            @arkle Until they commit any crimes, sure. It's better than becoming an authoritarian and locking up people for thinking bad thoughts.

          • 2 years ago

            @richhobo Thought is one thing. Openly advocating for it? That's dangerous. But sure, say that the kind of people who want to nip the next Hitler in the bud are the real bad guys if it makes you feel good about yourself.

          • 2 years ago

            @arkle I mean, if you want to try to protect liberty and democracy by punishing people for having shitty beliefs that's your choice. It just seems like a shitty choice imo. I do wonder if you would support this is if was a right winger saying the same about Islam though.

            Because that's where this leads. Once we start down this path of thought policing, it will be very hard to stop. I believe you're familiar with the poem "First they came..."

          • 2 years ago

            @richhobo "I mean, if you want to try to protect liberty and democracy by punishing people for having shitty beliefs that's your choice."

            There's your problem right there. You view White Supremacy as just another belief and not a dangerous ideology that leads to oppression and murder. You are a broken man if you are so detached from humanity to view that as on par with an ACTUAL belief system worth debating, like what the top marginal tax rate should be. You can disagree with me on THAT without me wanting me to punch you in the face. Well, I suppose if you (the royal you) decide to be a collosal douche about it maybe. And even then I'd still probably not do it.

            "I do wonder if you would support this is if was a right winger saying the same about Islam though. "

            Screw you for comparing Islam to White Supremacy. White Supremacy leads to Nazism and Death Camps. Islam? Well, for starters... http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/

            Now, if you want to bring religious extremists into it, perhaps you forgot about the Christian slogan etched into the belts of Nazi soldiers. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/images/nazi-army-god-with-us-belt-buckle/1069962/

            "Once we start down this path of thought policing, it will be very hard to stop."

            Once we start down the path of unchecked White Supremacy that will be even harder to stop. Took a whole World War last time.

            "I believe you're familiar with the poem "First they came...""

            Yes, I am. And based on your words on this site, I firmly believe that you'd be that guy, not speaking up until they come for you; the poem is a cuationary tale AGAINST what White Suprmeacy can ultimately lead to, and here you are using it to defned White Suoprmeacists. Screw you. Delete your account, assclown.

          • 2 years ago

            @arkle People will argue that Islam will lead to groups of radical Islamists. Of course, such groups are threats to democracy and liberty and should be treated as such, will be the logic that follows. If you aren't willing to have what you're suggesting happen to groups that you like, then maybe you should reevaluate. It's a foolish idea to implement something like this that can, and will, be abused so damn heavily. To police people in such a way will never benefit anyone except the people at the very top.

            You also seemed to have missed the point of the poem. The poem isn't a cautionary tale about white supremacy, but a cautionary tale about not speaking out against those who seek to get rid of groups based upon their beliefs, views, or ethnicity.

            By all means continue to oppose White Supremacy, as we all should, but by educating people, not by paving the way for tyrants.

          • 2 years ago

            @richhobo "People will argue that Islam will lead to groups of radical Islamists."

            Sam can be said of any religion. Doesn't automatically make them comparable to Nazis.

            "Of course, such groups are threats to democracy and liberty and should be treated as such, will be the logic that follows."

            Not really. Terrorist groups winning and getting everything they want is ranked 3rd on the most likely outcomes of thier long-term goals. It wasn't a terrorist group that caused the Holocaust for instance, that was a government.

            "If you aren't willing to have what you're suggesting happen to groups that you like, then maybe you should reevaluate."

            Lazy, black-and-white thinking. Where do you get your morality from, Saturday Morning cartoons?

            "It's a foolish idea to implement something like this that can, and will, be abused so damn heavily. "

            Agreed. Which is why it needs to be civilians who do the Nazi punching.

            "To police people in such a way will never benefit anyone except the people at the very top. "

            And your benefits Nazis, which makes you a bad person.

            "You also seemed to have missed the point of the poem."

            Says the asshole who used it to defend the very people who caused the misery that led to the poem's creation. Your lack of self-awareness would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

            "The poem isn't a cautionary tale about white supremacy, but a cautionary tale about not speaking out against those who seek to get rid of groups based upon their beliefs, views, or ethnicity. "

            Which is what White Supremacy is, you blithering idiot. You just said that the poem you quoted isn't about what it is about, and expected that to be taken as a legiamte argument. Are you high? No, no, you can't be high. I've smoked pot before and even at my most baked (which was about a decade ago so I may be remembering wrong) I had more sense than to think "This thing that's about X isn't about X!" worked as an argument.

            "By all means continue to oppose White Supremacy, as we all should, but by educating people, not by paving the way for tyrants."

            You see, you say that, then you go on to make it easy to pave the way for tyrants by insisting I treat them as a serious political ideology and not an inherent threat of violence against marginalized communities. Like I said your lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

        • 2 years ago

          The refusal to recognize white supremacy and its influence on the unrestrained use of state force is a serious threat, even to underprivileged whites.

        • 2 years ago

          This is one nice way we can push back on the cancer that is White Supremacy/White Nationalism.

          https://newrepublic.com/article/121406/civil-war-150th-anniversary-confederacy-defeat-should-be-holiday