Fun Fact: The United States spends billions of dollars on Army equipment that the Army leaders themselves say they don't need or want.But it's food stamps for poor kids that they call government waste.And people wonder why I hate Republicans and Centrist Democrats.
@arkle Yet Bernie Sanders a leftist Democrat is also a war monger and supported starving 500,000 Iraqis to death most of whom were children.By the way, I agree the US should stop wasting money on the military but I don't think its left versus right. Unfortunately, both parties support war. Both parties support killing thousand of Yemenis in order to keep a dictator in place. Well over ten thousand civilians have been killed in coalition attacks, and a further 6,000 starved to death last year alone. This is all supported by both parties including Bernie Sanders who said the "Saudis needed to get their hands a little dirty".
@bubba "Yet Bernie Sanders a leftist Democrat is also a war monger and supported starving 500,000 Iraqis to death most of whom were children."He's an Independent, not a Democrat. That's a pretty basic fact to get wrong.
@arkle Independent in name only. He's part of Democratic leadership and ran for president with the Democrats.But that's not the point. The point is its not left versus right. You have people like Ron Paul as a Republican and Tulsi Gabbard as a Democrat, but they are an extreme minority and you have antiwar people in both parties. I mentioned Bernie because he's a leftist who supports war yet I am fairly confident you supported him in his recent campaign.
@bubba Which war are you referring to, exactly? Also, he only ran as a Democrat because he was told repeatedly that if he ran as an Indpendent he'd have a spoiler effect.
@arkle All of them. Look at his voting record. The ones he happened to oppose were due to technicalities. He supports the illegal war on Yemen, Syria, Libya. He supports Israel which I don't have a problem with as such, but he supports them through thick and thin and he supports their expansion. He was happy to illegally starve 500,000 Iraqis to death in the 1990s. He supported the war on Yugoslavia where NATO committed a huge number of war crimes and used false allegation to justify their attack. He supported the war against Afghanistan too.
@bubba "All of them."Except for Iraq, unless you don't count that one. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war"He supports Israel which I don't have a problem with as such, but he supports them through thick and thin and he supports their expansion."Except for all the times he hasn't. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-criticizes-israeli-government-treatment-palestinians/story?id=37826771"He supported the war on Yugoslavia where NATO committed a huge number of war crimes and used false allegation to justify their attack."Cite your source. Because it looks to me like you're denying the Milosovic war crimes here."He supported the war against Afghanistan too."That one's iffy. At least there you can blame post-9/11 trauma and a lack of foresight. Even I was okay with going into Afghanistan after Al Qaeda at the time, before I realized how stupid an idea it was to use the military against a teorrist organization.
@arkle Yeah the Iraq war was the one with the technicality. He did want to go to war bit disagreed on some of the details.He criticises Israel but than votes in support of them. He has made some very dubious claims about the war in Gaza. Don't get me wrong though the Palestinians are no saints either, buy let's not forget Hama's was created by the US and Israel.As for Milosovic he was exonerated by the ITCY. Allghe allegations against him were made up. Just like the ones against Hussein, Gaddafi, and now Assad. Even if he was guilty. NATO ran out of military targets very early on so they just started bombing civilian targets. Two wrongs don't make a right.Afghanistan was never iffy. The US created the Taliban and 50% of the Taliban's funds even today come from the US government. There was never any attempt to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban. If there were they would have attacked Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
@bubba "As for Milosovic he was exonerated by the ITCY."Cite your source. I looked up your claim and found nothing."Just like the ones against Hussein, Gaddafi, and now Assad."Okay, we're going a bit overboard here. A lot of things are said about them that are untrue, yes, but none of those men were exactly paragons of democracy either. For instance, no, Saddam didn't have WMDs, and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda contrary to the lies of the Bush Admin., but try telling a Kurd or a Shia Iraqi that "all" allegations against him are made up. See how they react.
@arkle Prosecutor vs Radovan Karadzic. It was published in March 2016. I have a PDF of it downloaded. Its over 2000 pages and I'm not sure but I imagine if you Google that you should find it. I got it last year from the UNs website.Of course Saddam and co weren't great people but they werent the demons were led to believe.As for the gas attack on the Kurds its seems more likely that that was committed by the Iranians and the Kurds were caught in the crossfire. Horrific as it was this was a war ordered by the US. And the US armed both sides.Gaddafi was no saint but he did wonders for Libya and its people. He bizarrely took responsibility for terrorist attacks (lougherbee, etc.) Which were actually committed by Hafez Al Assad. He made amends with the west and then was stabbed in the back. The Turks are now in the process of being turned on by the west and Assad committed the mortal sin of not playing ball and not abandoning his key ally Putin.Regardless, the US and EU have no interest in democracy and improving the standard of living abroad. They go to war because of ulterior motives and talk about oppression and stuff to make it more palpable to the public.They continue to support terrorist and dictators in Africa and have torn the continent apart and now it seems they want to split Libya into three separate countries. Not to help the people but to help themselves
And it's even better to have a government that can negotiate and use diplomacy well enough that they won't need a large OR technologically advanced military!
@rosa1465 really not sure how realistic that is. Yeah, that would definitely be nice but I don't see it happening anytime soon. In the meantime, technological advancements in military are our best bet