@constable_kranium you got it!
People feel differently strong about gender identity. This is not just a transgender thing. If you are wondering if in the long run in a utopian society with great social psychology education and mental health people will still care about gender identity, I really can't tell you. As long as the culture around that type of identity is not too needlessly self-celebrating, and exclusive, then there is not that much wrong with it. If they are happy and not constantly throwing "woman only" parties, I dont see that big an issue ATM.
@onekonzo Do you feel that knowing someone's gender (particularly non-binary ones) increases the quality or productivity of your interaction with them? I ask only because I want to understand why this philosophy values gender categories so much.
@constable_kranium Well we are sexual creatures, and to a degree gender is influenced by sex. We often care more about the "sexual object" side of gender than about the individuals quirks. I dont think we will ever "fully" get rid of this.
There are two sexes and multiple genders. The truth is, there are differences with all of them and I am not sure why people insist on pretending like there aren't. Imagine if all professional sports teams became co-ed. Or the Olympics. How would that be fair to the female participants?
@trentr26 If by multiple you me the 2 that correspond to the 2 sexes than I completely agree. If you mean multiple as in 72 or any arbitrary number that corresponds to no bioligical category than I would like to hear your reasoning behind the genders that do not correspond to one of the sexes.I agree that there are absolutly differences between men and women both physical and psychological. To deny this is scientifically unsound. I geuss my argument is that people who don't have gender dysphorea realy don't have a need for the concept of gender because their sex is already enough to provide relevent information about normative male or female psychological predispositions and traits.
Identity is a necessary part of humanity, it is important to know that people have a group similar to them to support them, and that doesn't exist if we eliminate gender. That being said, I'm definitely with you that we overstate the role gender plays in our experience with society. It should not be as big of a consideration as it is.
@caratara "Identity is a necessary part of humanity, it is important to know that people have a group similar to them to support them, and that doesn't exist if we eliminate gender."Perhaps gender is not the best categorization scheme for creating groups of similarity for support. I for example identify myself as a scientist and skeptic. I find much stronger bonds of similarity and support within those groups than I do within the gender category of Cis-male. If we eliminated gender, people would still find community in shared ideas, opinions, and values with other like minded individuals. Relative to all the other similarities people may share, gender just seems a bit superficial.
@constable_kranium I see what you're saying, but I think it is different to identify with a group that feel inherently a part of, rather than an opinion or choice like interests. But I get what you're saying, and I would like to think that we can eliminate gender from our society.
@caratara Yeah me too. In my opinion, The fewer specifications we feel the need to add to someones personhood, the better.
honestly, gender is kind of irreleveant in 2017 so I'm fully on-board with this
@pokemaster I don't think that's true at all. There are so many facets of society that are gendered: sports, schools, laws, etc. Identifying as a certain gender helps you figure out where you belong.
@gabbykman I'm not saying they don't exist, but they are pretty irrelevant at this point.
As if the aspects of ourselves that we have no control over are the most important features we have to share.