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  • 2 years ago

    Uh, yeah it should. Especially when your mere existence is treated as political. You have every right to speak up on behalf of yourself and others if you are part of a marginalized community.

    This whole "We need to step away from Identity Politics" thing was invented by White Supremacists and their enablers to treat the concerns of communities t hat face oppression and violence daily as if they are "pet issues" that don't matter and that both major parties should really only be concerned about "Working Clas Whites." Which is itself an Identity, but I imagine most of the people who decry Identity Politics are too goddamned stupid to see the irony.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle White supremacism is identity politics.

      I'm saying there are more important identifiers than the things one is born as.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self Spoken like someone who has never had to fight like hell just to be acknowledged as human.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle lol and you have?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self No, but unlike you I have this thing called "empathy." I also listen to marginalized people, instead of getting my opinions on them from priveleged white cis male journalists who probably hardly ever leave their houses.

      And also unlike you. If you were a listener who had empathy, you'd never support President Agent Orange.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle So now you're calling me a sociopath. Okay...

      How do you know I didn't grow up as a marginalized person in an inner-city, who experienced loads of racism, violence, and hate for the color of my skin?

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle What. The. Hell. That's the most disgusting statement I've ever read. You're throwing a whole group of people under the bus to further your own argument. Not every privileged, white, cis, male person is a asshat, and not every underprivileged, nonwhite, trans, female person is a saint.

      Oh yes. And that "empathy" thing you mentioned? When you were debating affirmative action's effect on Asians, you sure as hell did not have it.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "So now you're calling me a sociopath. Okay..."

      Been calling you that for awhile, actually. You only just now noticed?

      "How do you know I didn't grow up as a marginalized person in an inner-city, who experienced loads of racism, violence, and hate for the color of my skin?"

      Because you act like someone who didn't and support politicians who express the same kind of hate (they just do it using dogwhistle phrases instead of blatant ethnic slurs). If you really did grow up in one of those communities, that would only make your support of the Tangerine Taint even worse. You'd be like a modern day Ernst Rohm.

    • 2 years ago

      @jeffery95014 "That's the most disgusting statement I've ever read."

      You obviously don't read much of anything than. I see worse things being said about people who aren't even activists, just merely existing as non-white, non-cis, non-male, or all of the above just for daring to have a Twitter account or a YouTube channel.

      "And that "empathy" thing you mentioned? When you were debating affirmative action's effect on Asians, you sure as hell did not have it."

      This is a lie, of course. What the real problem there was you were being an anti-Black jackass who blamed Black people for your perceived greivances while refusing to even consider other options, such as "postiive stereotyping." But no, just easier for you to blame Black people. becuase you are a racist.

      And a liar.

      Really, you should just delete your account. You offer nothing of value to this webiste.

      "You're throwing a whole group of people under the bus to further your own argument. Not every privileged, white, cis, male person is a asshat, and not every underprivileged, nonwhite, trans, female person is a saint. "

      Take this stupid paragraph for instance. I can't help but note how you could only reach this dishonest conclusion by leaving my qualifying statements (except for priveleged) such as "journalist" and "hardly ever leaves their house." Also, at no point did I ever that every non-white, non-cis, non-male person WAS a saint. You just made that up. Because you are a liar. A pathetic liar, with an easily bruised ego.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Right. Because I want the same chances as everyone else, I am a racist? I think you need to remember just how hard it is for an Asian student to get into a decent school. And yet here you are, calling me a racist liar for standing up for my beliefs. At least I have to courage to pick my unpopular opinion and stand by it.

      If you have statistics to refute my points on AA, then show them. If you don't have that data, you have no right to say that I am a racist for using statistics to prove my point.

      When you claim everyone against you is racist, you do nobody a favor.

      Oh, and perhaps you should learn to concede when you've lost, like many others on this site. Your defiance is the very embodiment of the actions of a petulant five-year old who's always right. Learn to accept defeat instead of automatically throw the term "racist" at whoever beats you.

      That downvote? Real classy.

    • 2 years ago

      @jeffery95014 "Right. Because I want the same chances as everyone else, I am a racist?"

      No. Because you want those opportunities taken away from Black people you are a racist. And yes, that is what getting rid of Affirmative Action would do. Even with it there is still systemic racism in hiring and admittance to colleges, and you want to make it worse.

      "And yet here you are, calling me a racist liar for standing up for my beliefs."

      Which include F-ing over Black people. If your beliefs include F-ing over Black people for what you beleive will be your own benefit, then yes, you are a racist. Pretty simple, really.

      "At least I have to courage to pick my unpopular opinion and stand by it."

      Unpiopular here being code for "racist."

      "If you have statistics to refute my points on AA, then show them."

      I seem to recall trying last time, and all you did was cherry pick. And you never refuted that AA helps Blacks and Latinx people. And you want to take it away from them. Erego, you are a racist. See? You should stop claiming you aren't racist now. It's getting sad.

      "If you don't have that data, you have no right to say that I am a racist for using statistics to prove my point."

      As I recall, I tried providing stats. You just insulted the soruces and quoted it out of context. I am under no obligation to play your game if you keep changing the rules on me.

      "When you claim everyone against you is racist, you do nobody a favor."

      Not everyone, as I have pointed out every time one of you lying bastards pulls that line. There are a number of people on this website who have disagreed with me that I have not called racist. But you know that, I'm sure. You just want to play the victim, even as you decry others for "playing the victim." It's not that you're against the so-called "victim card," you just want it all to yourself.

      "Oh, and perhaps you should learn to concede when you've lost, like many others on this site."

      That assumes that I actually lost. So far the only people who think I lose when I point out racism are the racists.

      "Your defiance is the very embodiment of the actions of a petulant five-year old who's always right."

      Ironically, one early draft of one of the other comments in this post had me comparing you to a bratty kid. But hey, I'd rather be a 5-year-old than a racist, so I still win.

      "Learn to accept defeat instead of automatically throw the term "racist" at whoever beats you."

      Except I don't. I only call people who say and do racist things racist. As I keep pointing out over and over and over again. Not that you have enough self-awareness to pick up on that. But being the pathetic manbaby you are, I bet I could pull up every single instance of me not calling people who disagree with me racist, and that still wouldn't be enough for you. You'd still lie and say I "call everyone who disagrees" with me a racist. beucase that's the best arrow you've got in your sad, tiny quiver.

      "That downvote? Real classy."

      Don't tell the other Nazis on this site you feel that way. They'll turn on you so fast your head will spin.

      But in all seriousness, if you hate the downvote so much, why not make a case for removing it from the website? I'm sure the owners would be willing to listen.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Trump never did anything to me or the people around me. Most of us liked him in our city.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self So I go back to you lacking empathy. You think because something isn't a problem to you personally, it isn't a problem.

      You don't care how many people Spraytan Hitler has hurt/will hurt so long as it doesn't happen to you and maybe your immediate family (I say maybe because frnakly I would not be shocked if you threw your relatives under the Trump bus if you thought you'd gain something from doing so).

      This makes you a bad person.

      Period.

      Full stop.

      You are a bad guy. You think you're the hero of this story, but you're not. You aren't Jena Claude Van Damme. You're the guy JCVD throws off the building before being reunited with his loved ones and the credits start.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle I said it wasn't a problem for anyone in my area. There was no hate for the man Trump, although he was well known in NYC.

      What do you think Trump did to people like me?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "I said it wasn't a problem for anyone in my area."

      Given your history of being completely wrong about Orange Foolius, I'm frankly skeptical.

      "There was no hate for the man Trump, although he was well known in NYC."

      Hang out with a lot of racists with no real understanding about hos economics and the environment work I take it?

      "What do you think Trump did to people like me?"

      Oh, where to start.

      Rolling back enviromental protections? That effects everyone. Yes, even you.

      Oh, there's the likelihood the products you will buy will be less safe thanks to him rolling back regulations and understaffing agenices created to protect consumers.

      The racist Keebler elf he put in charge of the DOJ has stopped pursuing Obama era reforms of police conduct so if you get shot by a racist/incompetent cop your family will have no recourse and your murderer will likely be "punished" with some paid leave.

      Have women in your life that you care about? probably not since you support Trump but pretend for a second you do. Their health care are about to become exponentially more expensive all in order to provide a tax cut for billionaires and to sate extremist Christians.

      I could go on and on really, but I don't think you care. I'm pretty sure at this point that Trump could rape an infant live on C-SPAN and you would go "Well, that's bad, but at least he said he'd build a border wall."

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Lol you don't know shit about what makes people struggle in the Hood.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self Look, just because you don't read books and watch documentaries and look up studies doesn't I mean I don't. The sooner you start to realize that not everyone enjoys being ignorant the way you do the sooner you'll grow up.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle lol you're the one speaking for something you have no experience in. Seriously, a lot gets lost in bare stats.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "lol you're the one speaking for something you have no experience in."

      But I know people who do. And I listen to them. It's that empathy thing you Trump voters not only lack but view as a weakness.

      In addition, I have in fact been poor.

      "Seriously, a lot gets lost in bare stats."

      Like you even look at bare stats, to begin with. I'm certain you don't because if you did read stats, you'd see how wrong you are on so many issues. Like that border wall that science says won't work but you kept insisting would when we had that argument.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle You didn't name anything that directly affects the inner city population you have no idea about.

      I've lived and grew up there.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "You didn't name anything that directly affects the inner city population you have no idea about."

      Yes, I did. The rollback of environmental protections. Or do you think pollution doesn't affect cities? You do strike me as being that stupid.

      BTW, did you know that the kind of poisoning the Trump regime is going to allow more of disproportionately affects POC? For that matter, do you care if it's not happening (visibly) in your neighborhood?

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle lol What environmental protections?

      What posioning? Is it spread by the Russians?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "lol What environmental protections?"

      Why do morons like you love to stick random LOLs into your counter arguments? Your ignorance is not funny. You are not funny. You are in fact one of the stupidest people I have ever met.

      As for what environmental protections that Toupee Fiasco rolled back, here's some sources I know you won't read.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/29/trumps-rollback-of-obamas-environmental-legacy-is-all-kinds-of-unpopular/?utm_term=.921fd7386f9d

      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/02/climate/environmental-rules-reversed-trump-100-days.html?_r=0

      http://mashable.com/2017/03/28/trump-climate-change-rollback-order-from-epa/

      "What posioning? Is it spread by the Russians?"

      Seeing as the majority of the victimized I'm about to mention below are Black I'm sure you don't care, but for the non-sociopaths who might read this...

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-poor-neighborhoods-breate-more-hazardous-particles/

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism

      http://www.alternet.org/environment/7-toxic-assaults-communities-color-besides-flint-dirty-racial-politics-pollution

      https://thenewinquiry.com/environmental-racism-in-st-louis/

      Now please, do something decent for once in your pitiful existence. Sign up to be an organ doctor, then kill yourself.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Why are you filled with so much hate?

      Which of the 23 points has to do with the inner city?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Why are you filled with so much hate?"

      Becuase bad people are running my country into the ground all to satisfy the bruised egos of whiny white supremacists who can't handle the fact that we had a Black President for 8 years and the world didn't end.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle I think you'll be in the same place 4 to 8 years from now.

      Wait... you're there now.

      Plus, which of those 23 points had to do with the inner city?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "I think you'll be in the same place 4 to 8 years from now.

      Wait... you're there now."

      If this was supposed to be an insult, it has failed miserably. I'm not even sure exactly what you're trying to say here. Is this even English?

      "Plus, which of those 23 points had to do with the inner city?"

      Do you think that only rural areas will get poisoned? Wait, I bet you do. You have demonstrated time and again just how stupid you are. The only reason I still bother with you is becuase a Block function hasn't been installed on this site yet. Once it has, the number of racists in my life is gonna plummet down to more manageable levels.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle I think you're racist as you didn't get my joke. LMAO

      Give me one of the 23 which would affect people in my neighborhood?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "I think you're racist as you didn't get my joke. LMAO"

      What joke? I don't see any joke. This is the comment you made verbatim.

      '"I think you'll be in the same place 4 to 8 years from now.

      Wait... you're there now."'

      I defy anyone to find the joke in here. You'd have better luck finding a vegan at Guy Fieri's birthday party.

      Now that sentence was a joke. You are under no obligation to laugh of course. Unlike the types of 20-something white dudes who voted for Trump (and unlike Jerry Seinfeld), I can tell the difference between a joke falling flat and censorship.

      "Give me one of the 23 which would affect people in my neighborhood?"

      Well, where is your neighborhood? I bet with some additional research I could find an example that you would just ignore.

      Or maybe you won't. Maybe you will finally care when something Trump does affects the street you live on. Because apparently to you no one else in the world is actually a human ebing whose life matters.

      After all, "If it's not a problem for me, it isn't a problem at all" is pretty much the Republican party's slogan at this point.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle You're racist.

      The inner city of NYC, less than a few miles from Trump Tower.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Your racist. "

      You're.

      Also, no, that would be Donald J. Trump, the man you voted for and support in the face of all logic and reason.

      Racists support border walls that won't actually work. I do not, you do.

      Racists get endorsed by the KKK (current members, not people who quit and renoucned them decades ago). Trump did, I did not

      See how this works? Oh, wait, I forgot who I'm tlaking to. Of course you don't. You're so stupid the whole "humans only use 10% of our brains" myth actually probably applies to you.

      "Inner city of NYC, less than a few miles from Trump tower."

      Well, good. You have a Liberal mayor there, so your water supply should be safe. For now anyway.

      But seriously though, can you just admit the reason you don't care about the EPA rollback is because the majority of people whose air and water supplies will be harmed are Black? Your spirited defense of white supremacy monuments in New Orleans in another thread made your contempt of Black people very clear.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle I know. The edit didn't save, but anyway...

      Which of the 23?

      The water was fine under Republicans. They helped clean up the city from crime.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Which of the 23?"

      Look, this may be too complex for you to grasp, but did it ever occur to you that American Inner Cities would be affected by things that affect the environment in general in America? Do you just think the Inner Cities are on seperate planes of existence?

      Christ you are dumb. Do me a favor and go drink a bunch of Gowanus Canal water.

      "They helped clean up the city from crime."

      Sure, Jan. Next you're gonna tell me that Stop & Frisk wasn't racist and that shoving the homeless people out of sight is the same as helping them.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle How does coal mining affect my area?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "How does coal mining affect my area?"

      CO2 emissions. Climate change. Whole planet.

      I'd use more words, but I don't want to tax your already limited mental capacity.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Plants inhale that CO2. They grow bigger.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Plants inhale that CO2. They grow bigger."

      So you don't understand how climate change works. Got it. I'd suggest reading some peer reviewed studies made by climatologists, but those generally aren't available in pop-up form and use words with more than 3 syllables. There's no way you'd understand any of it.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Not when most of them are told to fudge the numbers and depend on grants which anticipate climate change results.

      And the word itself is a tautology! Of course, it changes.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Not when most of them are told to fudge the numbers and depend on grants which anticipate climate change results."

      Got any arguments not based on debunked conspiracy theories?

      Also, the tiny handful of scientists who deny climate change take hundreds of thousands of dollars from the companies that produce the most pollution. But they agree with your stupid Nazi President and his friends, so that makes it okay in your book.

      "And the word itself is a tautology! Of course, it changes."

      Do you know what the word "context" means?

      Wait, of course you don't, you voted for Trump. You probably context is an iPhone app.

      Basically, what it means is that when people use certain words in certain context, you can tell what they are saying. Well, smart people can anyway. You, not so much.

      When actual scientists (the ones who aren't being backed by big oil money to lie to gullible morons such as yourself) use the words "cliamte change," this is what they are talking about: https://climatekids.nasa.gov/climate-change-meaning/

      This link has bright colors and pictures, so hopefully you'll be able to follow it.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Can you prove that all qualified skeptics take a massive amount of money and that their conclusions are false?

      Also, there hasn't been any change in global tempature for almost twenty years. And there was the medievil warming period that happened before fossile fuel use.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "Can you prove that all qualified skeptics take a massive amount of money and that their conclusions are false?"

      Tell you what. Since you made an outrageous claim first, you provide your proof first.

      Oh wait, you don't have any. Just cherry picked stolen e-mails and Right Wing lies.

      Here. How about this example for starters? https://www.desmogblog.com/2016/07/08/exxonmobil-new-disclosures-show-oil-giant-still-funding-climate-science-denial-groups

      "Also, there hasn't been any change in global tempature for almost twenty years."

      Not true, as per usual. Do you pracitce lying like this, or does it just come naturally to you?

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/jan/23/were-now-breaking-global-temperature-records-once-every-three-years

      "And there was the medievil warming period that happened before fossile fuel use."

      Which doesn't actually disprove anything about what's happening now. I mean, I can see why you'd conflate the medievil era with today. The modern GOP certianly behaves like we still have serfdom like we did back then.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle So what if they fund right-wing groups? That's there right. The article says nothing about Exxon funding research.

      I bring up the historical example to show that climate change can happen due to natural processes and there is no reason to doubt that now.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "So what if they fund right-wing groups?"

      Becuase Right Wing groups lie. Duh. Have you been paying any attention, or do I need to wave something shiny in front of you?

      "That's there right."

      Okay. So here's your argument. It is not okay for scientists who are trying to find the truth to earn a living for their work, but it is okay for scientists with no integrity to take shittons of money to create a false sense of disagreement among the scientific community at large.

      You are a terrible person.

      "I bring up the historical example to show that climate change can happen due to natural processes and there is no reason to doubt that now."

      Except there is reason to doubt it now (to the tune of 97% of experts in the field), so your argument remains a stupid one.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle That's not research. Plus the left pays for research that wants to find CC.

      That 97% number is specious.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "That's not research."

      Yes it is. It's called science. OPr as you probably call it "an affront to God."

      "Plus the left pays for research that wants to find CC."

      No, they pay for science. Your side pays people with no scruples to use their PhD to obfuscate.

      Google the word obfuscate. I'm sure you don't know what it means.

      "That 97% number is specious."

      No it isn't. You are lying, yet again. If anything, I'm low-balling. Some surveys have it at 98%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle AEI are not scientists.

      Many leftists give grants that aim to find CC. This biases the research.

      You'd think your best argument would be the fruition of the model, not how many are on board.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "AEI are not scientists. "

      American Enterprise Institute? The Right Wing think tnak? Yes, it is true they are not scientists. Why did you even bring them up?

      "Many leftists give grants that aim to find CC. This biases the research."

      No, what biases the research are bribes. You really seem mto have a hard time grasping this. A grant is just to study. Stop being such a f***ing moron. The so-called skpetics that you are siding with take way more money. That means if your logic were true (which it isn't beucase you a re a stupid, stupid man) that would mean the climate change deniers who tkae in big money from Exxon and other polluting companies who want to keep their bottom line and screw the rest of the human race would be the ones you'd be questioning.

      "You'd think your best argument would be the fruition of the model, not how many are on board."

      Your best argument is based on a lie planted in your head by people who chose their pocket book over their planet. You are literally choosing people who are a digrace to the mantle of science, and for what? I'll tell you what. Because you'd rather Florida end up under water than admit that a Liberal could be right about something.

      Delete your account, scum. If you want to spread your bullshit to people who listen go hang out with the Nazis at 4chan or the peodphiles at 8chan.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle What the difference between a bribe and a donation? The former is illegal and not on public record. SO you wouldn't know about it if it hasn't been investigated.

      Why don't the climate models reflect reality? Why put faith into them?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "What the difference between a bribe and a donation?"

      If you don't know that already, you are showing me, yet again, that you are too ignorant to have this conversation.

      "Why don't the climate models reflect reality? Why put faith into them?"

      You have a lot of nerve trying to claim reality when so much of what you believe is based on lies. This question is so dishonest on its face that I think no one would be too mad if an actual climatologist punched you in the genitals for it, like Buzz ALdrin laying out that moon landing denier*.


      *though TBH the only reason I didn't have a problem with that wasn't so much the moon landing denial part, but him loudly invading Aldrin's personal space.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Okay ignore that then...

      And you ignored the second question too...

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self "And you ignored the second question too..."

      Seeing as your second question was based on a lie, I had every right to ignore it.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle There is no hockey stick...

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self Not true, but then again very little of your stated beliefs are true. Climate change is real, the southern border wall can't work, the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s DID engage in traffic blockades, etc. ad nausem

      If you are not a compte and total moron, you are a pathological liar. Either way, it's not shocking that you would support President Spraytan Hitler.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle How can it be true if there hasn't been any significant increase in tempature since 1998?

      Check this out: https://xkcd.com/1732/

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self What you just said is a lie.

      http://grist.org/article/global-warming-stopped-in-1998/

      Got anything else? Beisdes more lies I mean?

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Check out 3500-7500 BCE: https://xkcd.com/1732/

      It's almost warmer than the temperature now.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self Um, that comic strip doesn't prove me wrong at all. Good gods, you are even more stupid than I thought. And I already considered you the dumbest motherf***er on this site.

      You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle Yeah it's based on legit climate data. Also notice how we aren't able to measure sudden spikes in ancient tempatures, so the spike today could have happened many times before.

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self It is legit. You are just reading it horribly wrong. Because you are stupid. Very, very stupid.

      Delete your account.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle lol the studies are cited on the side of the image. How am I wrong?

    • 2 years ago

      @meta_self And at the bottom of the image, the...

      Ugh. Forget it. You are too stupid. I am wasting my time. People like you are the reason we have to have "Not For Internal Use" labels on hair curlers.

    • 2 years ago

      @arkle The sudden spike at our time? I told you such spikes would not have been recorded due to the limitations of the data.

  • 2 years ago

    @meta_self I didn't choose my sexual orientation. The political position of both sides on gay marriage has the biggest impact on my life. Why should I not base my beliefs on fighting for the rights that are most important to who I am?

    • 2 years ago

      @riley88 There's more important things about you than who you have sex with.
      You can base your beliefs on liberty, not on your sexual attraction.