Congrats @jb043 , winner of this debate! Stand by for your Round 3 pairing
@alidia cheers for the feedback! Some good things to think about for both of us :) (soz I didn't see this earlier)
DUDE that's gotta hurt! @behind_the_veil_of_ignorance great opening statement, hope your hand's alright LOL
I'm all up for PP but this debate's a tieyou both debated this in a really civilized manner and kept politics out of it, FOR ONCEWould have been nice to see females debating this topic
@jb043 new hair, love it! :-)
@jb043 how how does. The government giving money to private organizations help the free market when clearly doing so means its no longer the free market especially when, as you said, it means government controlling the message of those organizations?
@ 15:20 the Con concedes that PP is not something the public deems worthy of spending their money on. Case closed. He loses.
@nellyj I said that they think it's not important because they have a very twisted perception of what pp is and what they do
@jb043 no, you said that people wouldn't spend money on PP because they don't believe it's a valuable device. You much later said you think the public perception of PP is twisted even though in truth it's actually quite accurate. PP is a for-profit abortion agency. They don't do much of anything else. They may farm out a few things but their top revenue source is by far abortions and when you call them they almost immediately jump to abortion scheduling. They were founded on the eugenics movement with the sole purpose of aborting black children.
@nellyj yeah they don't believe it is valuable BECAUSE of the twisted view. They don't do much of anything else? Please. Abortion literally makes up only 3% of the services they actually do.
@jb043 Very poor analysis/parroting of PP's reports. 94% of pregnancy procedures are abortions. If you consider doing an abortion and handing out a condom equivalent services then I suppose the 3% is somewhat accurate. They do very little outside of abortion, farming out most other services, which they include in their numbers. Seems the person with the twisted view of PP is you
@nellyj I would say the opposite given that things like contraceptive services and abortion services are characterised differently. But even if that is true, pp does far more than just abortion and contraception anyway. E.g. They do a fairly large amount of work with cancer treatment/detection, they do only slightly more abortions than breast cancer screenings and that's just one aspect of cancer that they address. Then you also look at things like the educational programs they provide which are also incredibly important and necessary. BUT even with that in mind. Having abortion services isn't a bad thing anyway given that it's neither illegal nor immoral (to a point- obvs I think that you can't terminate pregnancies at a very late point). So why then is it bad that some of the funding goes to abortion? Beats me
@jb043 wow! Talk about twisted views. They do viritually NO cancer screenings, no prenatal care and have no equipment to do so. I keep repeatedly informing you that they farm that stuff out to other clinics and of course steal a significant cut of the funds to do so"The reality is, Planned Parenthood does ZERO mammograms, performs less than two percent of women’s cancer screenings in the U.S., offers virtually no prenatal care, yet does over a third of the nation’s abortions – 887 abortions every day,” Lisa Rose
I feel like it should be mentioned that I had to get stitches in my hand. Come on people? Where's the love.
@behind_the_veil_of_ignorance lol! A true debater would chop off his hand and carry on :p You can request for RJs in a day if you'd like to dispute the votes
@yaz Lol, No. I think the voting was fair. I was trying to just appeal to people's sense of pity/be funny.
@behind_the_veil_of_ignorance yeah I got that :-) just wanted to clarify the tourney process since we confused our participants initially ..How's the hand doing?
A rather long but relatable quote from Thomas Paine's 'Common Sense':"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others."While I agree with the philosophical angle of @behind_the_veil_of_ignorance 's approach, I do think @jb043 's counter was effortless and smooth. While both sides made good points, I sided with the Con on this one. Hope the hand's okay dude, that looked nasty.