I just realized I said winner, but my assessment is not the final decision! This is just my choice. Great job, debaters!
@sarahmiller I did not say his tweets were vague. I said that they are short and concise. I mentioned that in ONE specific example where he was vague for a good reason. I believe I provided evidence by mentioning several short and important tweets that moved the media to reporting a story they wouldn't have reported otherwise.I did provide all the tweets in the comments and mentioned at least a dozen throughout. I brought up Bill Clinton, The DNC, Bernie Sanders, Wikileaks and other topics. I covered more about Comey because he was one of my opponent's main contentions. I linked to the source about my claim and said I would about Trump's campaign spending compared to Hillary and felt the point didn't need to be harped on. It would have been impossible for me to cover everything I wanted to and I believe I covered FAR more than you're giving me credit for. By the way, writing this as I watch so I don't know the verdict yet.Referencing me going off on a tangent is only because I had far more sources and information whereas my opponent only had his 4 contentions that I disputed at the beginning.And I think I covered the fact that the tweet only influenced it because they were looking for anything, they would have made it about that. The tweet itself didn't even reference Islam or Muslims. It was an unethical decision that was made, as I said, and overturned because of that fact. I disagree with your judgement and analysis but thank you for trying to sound as impartial as possible. I think in the future it'd be good to list pros and cons separately instead of mixing them and kind of providing backhanded compliments as you did many times with me throughout. Thanks for the ruling and I can't wait to see the rest!EDIT: I'd also like to add that at least currently I'm the only one who provided sources for their claims. Which I thought would have made SOME point in your decision and am sad to see that wasn't even mentioned.
@sarahmiller Thank you for the analysis. I did not want to get bogged down by a definition battle, but next time i will press it,
@alot_like_locke It was not so much a definition battle as much as it was who provided a more effective indicator of harm or help. Just make the connection stronger e.g. Trump is harmed by his tweets as shown by his low ratings.
@theantifeminist It's like an assessment within an assessment. Assessment-ception...You saying that his tweets were vague contradicted your argument that he bypassed the media filter. Although you did have numerous examples, you did not draw a strong conclusion that the tweets you've mentioned positively affected him.Simply because you had a lot to say does not mean that it all helped your argument. This is not a game of who can find the most sources, rather whose sources are more effective for their argument - qualitative over quantitative.I'm sorry that you're unhappy with my assessment, but this is why there are numerous judges as well as the community poll to ensure that these debates are as objective as possible.Looking forward to more debates in the future!
@ninadabit very objective I find your video commends to be absolutely great
@jacksonk For a second I was expecting that you'll give the win to the anti feminist
Let's get out of the weeds, guys.
Great job, both of you.
@elibowman Thanks regardless of the outcome I feel this debate was as fair as could be and I commend my opponent @alot_like_locke for agreeing to redo this and apologize for calling him a coward.
@theantifeminist You came with a much better argument strategy, i apologize for callin you a plebe.
Sources: Sorry, I don't have them organized well and I wasn't able to use some of them.Trump avoided meddling with the French election and directly endorsing a candidate whereas Obama did just that.Twitter’s co-founder is totally sorry for helping Trump get electedhttp://citifmonline.com/2017/05/22/twitters-co-founder-is-totally-sorry-for-helping-trump-get-elected/“Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/786201435486781440“Why did the DNC REFUSE to turn over its Server to the FBI, and still hasn't? It's all a big Dem scam and excuse for losing the election!”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877891129194102785“Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878413313188802560RT: “The Media Says: The President Should Stop Tweeting about Russia. Well, Why Don't the Media Take Their Own Advice & Stop Talking About It!”https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/876441800764010498“Wow, CNN had to retract big story on "Russia," with 3 employees forced to resign. What about all the other phony stories they do? FAKE NEWS!”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/879648931172556802“Reports by @CNN that I will be working on The Apprentice during my Presidency, even part time, are ridiculous & untrue - FAKE NEWS!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/807588632877998081“The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia…”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/879323238425395200“..under a magnifying glass, they have zero "tapes" of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/879324620159160322“Very grateful for the 9-O decision from the U. S. Supreme Court. We must keep America SAFE!”twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/879405223399350272“Karen Handel's opponent in #GA06 can't even vote in the district he wants to represent….”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/876900944444837890“….because he doesn't even live there! He wants to raise taxes and kill healthcare. On Tuesday, #VoteKarenHandel.”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/876901304207069185“Hillary Clinton is taking the day off again, she needs the rest. Sleep well Hillary - see you at the debate!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/778238281196662784“Crooked H destroyed phones w/ hammer, 'bleached' emails, & had husband meet w/AG days before she was cleared- & they talk about obstruction?”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/875441788110110727“Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/789117930801926148“Does anybody really believe that Bill Clinton and the U.S.A.G. talked only about "grandkids" and golf for 37 minutes in plane on tarmac?” We know from Comey she wanted it to be called a matter, not an investigation. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/749718947973529600 Amazing that Crooked Hillary can do a hit ad on me concerning women when her husband was the WORST abuser of woman in U.S. political historyhttps://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/732540713678819328 “Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Democrats - the system is rigged against him. Many of his disenfranchised fans are for me!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/732893573365010432“President Obama should ask the DNC about how they rigged the election against Bernie.”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/761385812390977536Via @mrctv by Ben Graham: "Border Reports Back Up Trump's 'Rapists' Claim"https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/618866429891317761COMEY“James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/863007411132649473“I have been asking Director Comey & others, from the beginning of my administration, to find the LEAKERS in the intelligence community…..”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/864452996129853444“Despite so many false statements and lies, total and complete vindication...and WOW, Comey is a leaker!”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/873120139222306817“With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea…”“…whether there are "tapes" or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings.”https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/8779329564587950081/2
2/2Today, the House votes on two crucial bills:￼#NoSanctuaryForCriminalsAct ￼#KatesLaw ￼Pass these bills & lets MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN￼https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/880469342835666944“New Sugar deal negotiated with Mexico is a very good one for both Mexico and the U.S. Had no deal for many years which hurt U.S. badly.”https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880402366373269504“New York Times finally admits that the 17-intelligence agencies Russian hacking narrative was a complete falsehood!”https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/880508049567428608Non-Tweets:Scott Adams on Donald Trump’s art of persuasion:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55NxKENplG4Media bias against Trump:https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/“Although Mr. Comey testified he only leaked the memos in response to a tweet, the public record reveals that the New York Times was quoting from these memos the day before the referenced tweet, which belies Mr. Comey’s excuse for this unauthorized disclosure of privileged information and appears to entirely retaliatory,” Kasowitz said. “Besides being subject to Nondisclosure Agreements, Comey falls under federal laws governing the disclosure of classified and non-classified information. Assuming that the memos were not classified (though it seems odd that it would not be classified even on the confidential level), there is 18 U.S.C. § 641 which makes it a crime to steal, sell, or convey ‘any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.’”http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/08/professor-comeys-leaking-of-memos-could-land-him-in-legal-hot-water/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/another-way-trumps-bid-changed-politics/93565370/
Video response forthcoming.
@theantifeminist how can you deny that the media's obsession with his tweets is a good thing for him?If they end up covering much less of his accomplishments as president and instead much more of his insults and twitter train wrecks, that is just not good for Donald Trinp as President.I believe you came much more prepared this time but you were still unable to defend the pro side of the actual debate statement.Thank you both again and congratulations to @alot_like_locke for what seems to be another win.On a separate note, I do not understand why this rematch did not include a timer for each debater. It felt like the pro side spoke for 75% of the duration, that being said, it didn't seem like the negative needed any more time to make the case effectively.
@drsteve I'll tell you how that can be a good thing....... Trump's Russia probe was fought back directly through his Twitter account. If it wasn't for Trump's Tweets to fire back at the stupidity of the media, it would have been nothing but the media's bullshit going around and so Trump's tweets helped fight this crap and neutralize it.
@fitzy45 that's yet another conjecture, highly subjective observation. But, I do get what you're saying and I also agree that Trump has been using his Tweets in somewhat effectively in his favor in some cases, and in other cases, it was mere stupidity. But what's the net effect? That is the question.
All genuine Trump supporters consider his Tweets to be unfiltered messages directly to the people - and that's a GOOD thing!!!I think the affirmative side of this debate made a great case (and the only case to be made) when he rightly so assumes Trump's win is tied to his Twitts.I get that a debate requires more evidence to make that claim but the truth is anyone who's been following the election and Trump's huge win, understand Trump's twitter was an effective tool to make his win possible.
@fitzy45 I wonder who you voted for.
@behind_the_veil_of_ignorance I voted for @theantifeminist in this debate but if you're asking who I voted for between Crooked Hillary and Trump, I voted for Trump obviouslyYou seem like a non-voter just by looking at some of your last few debates....?
@fitzy45 I voted, both in the debate and the election. I don't mind contemporary politics. I guess I haven't seen a question that appealed to me. But you are right, it is not where my primary interests are.
@behind_the_veil_of_ignorance may I ask who you voted for? you seem to lean liberal based on your free will and lgbt debates - or am i wrong?
Ok so you are an agnostic atheist, well that figures. Guess I got my answer, but you're certainly not representative of stupid brainwashed liberals in this country.
I also forgot to add that Anti-feminist brought up that he is unfiltered and that he can express his own agenda. This simply adds icing to the cake. Great job guys!