@antonio_degidio @newman2580 It's a tie! We'll bring a second judge to make the final decision soon, stay tuned
@gigi any word yet?
@newman2580 Second judge, @sarahmiller, will be submitting the final assessment by tomorrow noon!
@sarahmiller thank you! This topic was close to impossible to debate! The wording is tricky and could be interpreted several ways.
Great Job Man!
@newman2580 Thank you, you as well.
The Con essentially capitulated in his opening statement by saying "laws force religious people out of their morals." There he says basically that religious/theistic people have morals and atheists have laws which are not morals. Con further argues for the Pro view saying that different religions have different morals and there are many different religions. Hence he's admitting that religions have many more morals, all while he appeals to an objective morality he never defines or explains or provides a reason for. Instead Con again makes statements on the law without ever providing a reason or even claiming that the law is a substitute for or is morality.
I also point out that the Con only argues that "religious people can have wrong and sometimes 'terrible' morals" (again appealing to a universal standard that he neither can claim nor is valid for the debate), while atheists have a single moral of "peace," again no foundation provided.
@nellyj_misesian morality was already defined, and you should rewatch it because your misquoting me. I compared morals to laws because there's no way to compare the morals of different religions to each other as they very wildly. Also, if your trying to enumerate morality by saying because there are many religions there are therefore more morals to adhere to (in gross numbers) then yes, there are, but the argument is if they are More Moral, not if there are are more morals.
@newman2580 so you just misunderstood the topic? It wasn't the 'validity of morals' but the number of them. Atheists have no moral foundations and no moral prescriber and hence no morals at all.
@newman2580 you appeal to a universal standard that from an atheist worldview does not and cannot exist.
@nellyj_misesian incorrect. I believe the question wasn't the number of morals.
@nellyj_misesian that's a ridiculous and baseless statement btw. To say Atheist people are Amoral is sadly a complete fallacy. I'm not Atheist, but if I were I would be deeply offended by this claim.
Another very close debate!@newman2580 Congrats for advancing to the next round!@antonio_degidio great job and hard luck on this one, hope to see you on our next tournament - registration is now open