I agree with this 100%.
This needs to be a H2H!
@gigi Problem is the only person who would debate wrestling with me already agrees @the_peoples_champ
@citizenthom So true lol. I doubt we have ballet advocates yet..
@gigi I AM a ballet advocate. My oldest is in her second year of ballet, and we chose ballet for her rather than any other activity so she can learn body control for future sports activities--including pro wrestling, if her interest in becoming a wrestler continues.
@citizenthom fair enough! I agree with you about the ballet benefits but I don't know too much about wrestling.. :-(
@citizenthom I'd give you a go on this specific topic. I'm a wrestling fan (or was) but not so much I can't throw some criticism at it. :)
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Equivalency is a tough thing to argue for, especially unspecified. Without specifying on what grounds, you end up opening yourself up to a lot of ground for disagreement.For instance: Historically speaking Ballet has a much longer history of tradition and instances of high artistic expression. Pro Wrestling has a comparatively short history and arguably, a more limited range of expression and social meaning.Their audiences are very distinct for the most part and thus culturally, they are not equivalent. Ballet is generally an art form appreciated by the upper class of society while Pro Wrestling is largely a working-class entertainment. That does not mean one is better, but they lack equivalence in this sense.From an artistic standpoint, Ballet is a very intentional vehicle for expression. It is tightly controlled and focuses on a unified message and story. Pro Wrestling is an artistic shotgun that is partly improvised and varies widely week to week in messaging, meaning and expression. Its primary aim is not art but commercial entertainment. Its expression is far more individualized with each wrestler expressing their own character with its own meaning, as where in Ballet the performers are all working towards a single expression in a given performance.I would also say the Ballet at the professional level has a more consistent level of individual skill and accomplishment in the physical art. Pro Wrestling is famous for having performers who get by on strong personalities and appearance rather than the honing of their physical art and craft. This is extremely rare in Ballet where all professionals must perform their physical art at a very high level.
@sigfried Yep, we need to video this one, preferably after the current qualifier
@citizenthom Cool, hit me up when you feel the urge. I think this would be a lot of fun to argue.
It's a different set of skills.
@meta_self Not really. Body control, cooperative movement, physical storytelling (body and face), nonverbal communication, integration of sets and movements...we could go live on this.
@citizenthom I think you really mean similar. I mean, wrestling isn't dance. It's fight choreography.
@meta_self You said "different set of skills." I pointed out it's the same set of skills with different implementations. You wouldn't see a ballet implementation of body expression in wrestling because it would not tell the right story (e.g. would not communicate a real battle being waged), nor would you see the same physical risks taken in wrestling taken in ballet because the art does not demand it. And no, wrestling is not "fight choreography." It's not martial arts.
@citizenthom You're saying the two sets are identical? They obviously overlap. Choreography isn't a martial art. In this case, it's planned mock fights.
@meta_self I didn't mean that choreography is a martial art. I meant martial arts--the kind used for exhibition--is choreographed.Wrestling is planned to an extent. It is not choreographed. It is DEFINITELY not "mock," especially not in the way you imply. Indeed, the UN-choreographed kinds of martial arts make their way into wrestling with some regularity.
@citizenthom Isn't wrestling fake? That is, all the moves are planned ahead of time.
@meta_self I always appreciate it when someone follows up asking me if wrestling is "fake" by specifying their definition of "fake." Usually, as here, that means the answer is "no."
@citizenthom So wrestling is real like boxing, in that the outcomes and moves performed are done so on the fly?
@meta_self Wrestling is real like boxing in that the results are typically predetermined by a central planning authority. Boxers don’t get to do “moves” though, just hand-strikes. :)
@citizenthom You think boxing is fake?
@meta_self I KNOW boxing is typically PREDETERMINED.
@citizenthom Illegally though. Like to throw a fight to get the gambling winnings.
@meta_self Pro wrestlers never do that because, as in most legitimate sports, wrestlers’ pay is not determined by the outcomes of the matches. Boom.