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  • 2 years ago

    @vodkrates Congrats for advancing to the next round!
    @johnsonjoshua04 Given community and judge votes, this is going to the CON but great job on this debate, very much enjoyed it. Hope to see you at November's tournament, we just opened registrations:
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    • 2 years ago

      Hopefully QallOut will be the first real unbiased source of news and information.. (shameless plug :)

      • 2 years ago

        you guys can continue this debate (outside the tournament) after this debate is over, if you'd like to.. just challenge each other for a non-moderated head-2-head debate

        • 2 years ago

          Great job, man. I had a lot of fun. Sorry for the delay due to technical difficulties. (Thanks to the qallout admin for resolving that) Best of luck!

        • 2 years ago

          @vodkrates Really dig the laid-back style. (Actually, both sides are very civil and conversational in this debate, which I appreciated.)
          I really buy the argument that any problem is with politics itself, not the satire. Like, REALLY buy it. I like how in your 2nd (3rd?) speech you kind of offhandedly ask: "I'm not sure what the harm is. . ." That's a great summation of my perspective on this debate. There are at least some offensive arguments on your side (about jobs, etc.), and I don't find any of these for the pro.
          @johnsonjoshua04 I think though you play lip-service to some non-partisan ideal, there is a great deal of partisanship to your argument. As you say, you are conservative and these satirical shows do tend to focus disproportionately on conservatives. However, there aren't any solid arguments made for what the problems with this satire are. . . You claim that Jimmy Kimmel killed the AHCA, but C'MON, that process of passing new healthcare legislation has been a boondoggle from the word "go"; you can't blame that shit on Kimmel. And the con points this out by saying "Kimmel can't change the minds of educated individuals in congress." There is no offensive argument that I can find on your side, while the con provides arguments as to how the political system itself has fomented the issues you seem to raise yourself. You spend a lot of time on defense talking about how people could educate themselves better or the voting records should be more transparent, but without a definitive voting issue on your side, I'm pretty much left with the status quo where the problems seem to originate in political divisions in the national government (and you seem to agree with this), but no real reason to prefer a removal of satire from this scene.
          You do make the point that we should be united, not divided, and that these shows may be divisive by nature of their partisan bias, but since this simply replicates the larger bias of the political system, I'm left to throw up my hands and say, "what can ya do?"

          As stated by the con, people don't have to watch the shows, so the American people can make up their own minds on this issue, I think. While I'm not sure what the alternative is (that is: what is the pro arguing FOR), I can concretely materialize the concept of what's going on in the current atmosphere. The divisions and harmful effects seem to be a consequence of the political system itself, not those late-night satirists who happen to respond to this system.

          P.S. I think it's really ironic that the pro regularly states that Kimmel's display of emotion is "not satire." If not, then what is the applicability to this debate? Just a sticking point for me.

          • 2 years ago

            Thanks for the review, @kahnwiley. This was my first debate on qallout so I haven't yet been conditioned for a more formal delivery. I'm glad you enjoyed the prose style, if you will. I appreciate the feedback, and welcome any constructive criticism that may help in my next debate.

        • 2 years ago

          interesting; although I tend to be conservative people value the late shows because they have the same value as cable news channels; none... so I'm with con. Kimmel doesn't make policy, idiots do.