Here's our new debate, the previous one can be found on this link: https://www.qallout.com/debate/3628-religious-indoctrination-is-child-abuse-dollar1000-october-qualifier-round-1-live-on-wed-nov-8-at-930-pm-eastern
I don't know what happened... i think he left. I'll have to be going very soon.
because the debate is about RELIGIOUS Indoctrination the con side in my opinion fails to prove her argument by chosing a different context for the definition of the term, and also she says she believes that it's child abuse NOT to, that doesn't back up her argument at all. Too bad the pro side is having connect issues.
@nsservices007 I said, "ONE WOULD ARGUE THAT" it COULD be child abuse not to indoctrinate your child within a society where religious beliefs are highly valued. My main issue is with the absoluteness of the statement. My opponent mentioned two very specific and arbitrary examples (circumcision & communion), while I mentioned two others (Christ's Beatitudes/Buddha - Four Noble Truths)... one COULD yield negative results, while the other, when followed "religiously" could yield the very ideals he mentioned--that of a free-thinking society. It's no coincidence that the western tradition of "the university" CAME OUT OF a society that was very religious. And that most university mottos feature an element that many would consider religious in nature.
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@qallout So what's the verdict? I have to go.
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I am here.
The last statement (which was actually a question) from CON was the most convincing. She asked "What about the positive aspects"? Swap actual child abuse into the question and it doesn't make sense. "What about the positive aspects of beating your child?" "What are the positive aspects of molesting your child?" There are no positive aspects of such things. The question only makes sense in regards to something that IS NOT abuse.
@cotter I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. I think the abuse mentioned falls under more of a mental abuse. Like "God is watching you, so be good or you will be tortured in the basement forever." Could be argued as developing a Stockholm like syndrome effect. I don't think the argument was that other abuse is worse. Just that religious indoctrination can be considered abuse.
@daniel_jongeward Sure, some cases may be considered abuse, but if you label all religious indoctrination as child abuse then you'd have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "child abuse" having potential emotional and social benefits.
@cotter true that's the problem with blanket statements, they may or may not pertain to an individual case.
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