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  • 2 years ago

    #mindfuck

    • 2 years ago

      Sure. Though I don't think that makes it self-contradictory. You have to be very careful and specific about definitions to avoid it though.

      Mind you, I do think there are absolutes, but they tend to be tautologies., aka the thing that is absolute is defined as an absolute thing. for instance... Total Darkness is an absolute absence of light.

      Where you get in trouble is if you say "aha, but for darkness to truly be absolute, it needs to be absolutely dark absolutely everywhere." Then, you have a hard time demonstrating that exists since there is clearly light somewhere.

      • 2 years ago

        I like this question, and would be interested in getting deeper than my original thoughts. But, it reminds me of being younger and thinking I hate people who hate. It seems more like wordplay than anything else. Here's another good one pushed during the Iraq War: can you actually force people to accept democracy? And if you succeed, is it really a democracy if the people didn't accept it without outside interference. Here's another one: is death absolute. Seems pretty absolute to me, although billions of christians and muslims etc. would disagree. I think your questions is mostly mental masturbation, but I've never heard anyone complain that masturbation can't be fun!

        • 2 years ago

          @dorothy8532 The thing is, you don't have to hate people who hate. You don't have to force people into democracy. Sure, you can try to force them, but then again, that isn't democracy.

          I think you contradict yourself when you state, "I hate people who hate." Or, "Everyone, you will accept democracy or I will rid of all of you." Same applies to this. If you state that there are no absolutes, you are asserting an absolute statement, thereby contradicting yourself.

        • 2 years ago

          @boughtby1 That was my point. I hate people who hate - is a contradiction that means I must hate myself. It's wordplay, mental masturbation. Likewise, if you state there are not absolutes, you are asserting an absolute statement. Again wordplay and mental masturbation. So, what side do you fall on ... are there no absolutes, or are there absolutes? If it's not just wordplay, you must have an answer or further insights...at least I would think.

        • 2 years ago

          @dorothy8532 The question arises from more philosophical and religious debates. From my worldview, as a Christian, I believe in absolutes. I base it off a standard of truth that I believe is God given. I talk to a lot a people who come from a more secular worldview and say that we can't know things for certain. I asked if the color of their shirt was red, and they responded, "All I know is I don't know anything." This statement is the same as saying that there are no absolutes and that is why I ask this question.

          The thing is, we don't live in a world where there are no absolutes. I know for a fact that my teacher will fail me if I don't show up for classes or exams. We know if we don't pay our rent, that we will lose our house or apartment. We know if we don't eat, we will just eventually whiter away. A lot of people claim they don't know anything for certain, yet don't live up to that belief.

        • 2 years ago

          @boughtby1 I understand your point of view now. It was unclear to me before. Although I'm an atheist, I would generally agree with you, now that I understand the point you were trying to make.

      • 2 years ago

        No. Stating such a thing is an opinion as it can neither be proved or disproved, therefore it is an absolutists view of reality, not reality itself. It can't be a statement, because it cannot be proved and therefore not true or false. A statement, in order to be an accurate and therefore complete statement, needs to be true.. otherwise it's just heresay.

        • 2 years ago

          The answer is a clear and resolute yes. Absolute means "true in all possible worlds." So an absolute statement would be one which is true in all possible worlds. It is clear that the intent of the claim "there are no absolutes" is meant to be true in all possible worlds and it is therefore an absolute claim.

          This is an obvious contradiction. The claim that there are no absolutes is a self contradiction and is therefore false.