The 2-hour discussion starts after the first 6-7 minutes, if anyone wants to re-watch and skip the first part .. (we are working on fixing it..)
@yaz Cool. I was wondering how the recording part might work.
Feel free to jump in if you want to join our discussion!
I hope this discussion is still going when I get home from work in 90 minutes
You haven't heard that because it is nonsense. "In modern philosophy, classical theism is a theism in which God is characterized as the absolutely metaphysically ultimate being, in contrast to other conceptions such as Pantheism, Panentheism, Polytheism and Process Theism.Whereas most theists agree that God is, at a minimum, all-knowing, all-powerful, and completely good, some classical theists go further and conceive of God as completely transcendent (totally independent of all else), simple, and having such attributes as immutability, impassibility, and timelessness."
"Anyone who is still an atheist in the age of youtube is because their eyes are blinded" lol
And there it is: "Jesus opened my eyes" Nothing but some anecdotal evidence to ground your perfect certainty.
Just bear with me coming in and out while I figure this out ;)
It's Yaz's connection. (as a viewer)
@sigfried I'm getting out, jump in!
@sigfried You've been good to us and QO :-)
@rhology Which Christian sect do you follow?
Is this still going??
@the_peoples_champ get in! I was about to tag you :-)
@gigi I don't know if i can. I think I would just get mad. Obviously Mike and Sigfried are subject matter experts on all scriptures and all things biblical. It just seems they want to argue.
@the_peoples_champ Oh.. I'm 100% confident that you will handle it :-)Not sure what happened when I left but the conversation seemed balanced..
@sigfried and @madmike.... two atheists vs. one christian that doesn't seem fair at all....
This is just going no where.... I don't know whether this is supposed to be a debate or not. It just seems like to atheists harassing a christian.
@the_peoples_champ He's a professional apologist so I presume he can handle himself and he seemed to be enjoying the dialog. I jumped in when it was an all Christians discussion and Christians were questioning one another's theological view. I joined that discussion, but of course, I look at theology from a very different viewpoint. So it is the same type of discussion.
I was feeling fine and would have stayed if I could have. I actually enjoy being grilled, helps train me for other settings. Sometime I’ll go more on the offensive against naturalism/evolution/atheism, but simply defending my faith is enjoyable to.
@sigfried I watched the last 20 minutes of it, until he left. Watching it, it looked extremely bad. Asking questions he wasn’t given time to answer. Calling certain Christian views as nonsensical or ridiculous. I watched and didn’t join in because nothing was being allowed to be talked through. That should say a lot anytime I don’t join an open debate on Christianity.
@the_peoples_champ I'll try to be better in these about allowing people time. I do get excited and want to jump sometimes. Not a good habit. Consider me duly chastised on that.As for calling things ridiculous... I have to say, sometimes I think they are. Talking snakes and magic apples will always strike me as ridiculous as things that literally happened. I would never say that but for a forum like this, but I think honesty and politeness are something of a balancing act when in a place where debate and discussion are the intent. I may have overused the term here, I don't recall what context I said it in. But when I say it, I really try to reserve it for when that is indeed how I see it.
@sigfried should I have written in all caps though so it would’ve been like a real chastisement?I feel like it’s not authentic unless it’s in all caps.
Just remember the fruit (apple possibly, doesn’t say) wasn’t magical :p it was simply the act of sin which opened them to the world of good and evil (they originally were isolated to goodness)