2 years ago
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  • 2 years ago

    @cotter thanks for the debate.

  • 2 years ago

    I misspoke at 9:40. I mentioned regulating the little guys, not the giants. I meant that the regulations regulate the little guy, not *just* the giants...minor mistake, but I figured I'd clear that up.

  • 2 years ago

    So did the people who voted PRO just ignore the motion? If so what did they base their vote on?

    • 2 years ago

      @cotter Not trying to do the debate over again through text, but I said neither side could measure an outcome, and gave the presumable facts for my conclusion. A 5% increase in isp startups, more fiber being layed between 2015 and now than since 1999, how satellite and cable tv were open but have between a small curated service etc. I didn’t hear that from your side.

      We can talk about more in an open format or ask one of those pesky judges to decide if you want...

      But honestly, I don’t see much point. I will say you’re a strong Debater. I’d hint at some things to improve on, but that’s really for the judges not opponents. It truly was a pleasure and hope we can debate again.

    • 2 years ago

      @julian You made the motion. That's why I thought it was strange that you basically conceded right off the bat. You could have worded the motion anyway you liked. I only took the debate on short notice because I knew it would be extremely difficult to show any real negatives. But judges have to go by the motion, so I would be very surprised if one of them sided with you. I'm not butthurt people voted for you or anything, just curious about their reasoning.

    • 2 years ago

      @cotter why say anything of your not trying to pull this your way?

      As I keep saying, and said when I give the motion and burden at the very start, because the repeal has yet to take effect (and hopefully not at all) , it’s impossible to measure. A positive or negative impact would have to reflect potential changes to the status quo.

      I pointed to privacy as a negative change and you couldn’t answer. You admitted the FCC has never censored the internet and took seconds to google that Verizon did. You claimed because you’re friend owns an ISP it’s bad for ISPs when they’ve had 5% growth. And you claimed that because Google stopped laying fiber in one area, it must mean that companies are doing that less when in truth they’re laying more fiber than ever since 2015.

      This is why I don’t comment on debates.

    • 2 years ago

      @julian there's a lot of misrepresentations in your comment, but I'm trying not to respond to your points directly since you seem to not want to redo the debate here (even though that's kind of what your doing). I actually don't mind debating in the comment afterwards, but it would be ideal if it was about who won and why instead of net neutrality itself. But you kinda have to take the motion into account to have that debate.

    • 2 years ago

      @julian I don't completely recall your privacy argument btw. I remember hearing that companies are allowed to sell your information now or something, but that seemed like a separate issue from net neutrality.

    • 2 years ago

      @cotter misrepresentations?! I said that ISPs cannot sell your info now and could after the repeal very clearly in this debate twice in my second and closing speeches. I’m done man.

    • 2 years ago

      @julian I'm a little confused about whether you want an explanation of how you misrepresented my points...you have a question mark, implying a question, but then you said your done...

    • 2 years ago

      @cotter we can talk about it more at 3pmEST tomorrow after my next debate In an open format if you want.