I’m confused,.. what is this debate about?
@vermontrevolutionary it's not a debate - just a discussion ;)
I myself can hear you guys, but I don’t have the option of interacting due to technical difficulties.. I can empathize with the Aussie.
It doesn't take a large percentage of conversions for it to be worth itPeople more likely to outreach to their friends if there is a reason for them to do so (i.e. getting votes from their friends)
Chandlers idea has another flaw- ppl obviously have a competitive interest to vote for the wrong for the worse debater to go through to make future rounds easier for them
@benmouse42 Ya. I try to be totally neutral on judging, but you can't help root for the underdog when you know you may have to match wits with the winner.
look the obvious solution is just to get the judging to be better, and it is pretty decent atm.It is unreasonable for any debating circuit to expect their judges skills to be way above the median debating skill. Atm at QallOut the average judge is about as good as the average debater, which means yes, sometimes mistakes get made, but they always get made.People really don't have the right to be too shitty about a loss unless they won by an absolute mile. And *rarely* does that happen.
My thoughts on tournaments1) Give bigger speaking times and allow ppl to switch the mic2) Get people to give studies/citation in advance3) Get preliminary rounds to happen and then have a smaller "break" at the end
@benmouse42 Re: Outreach, but it's not outreach, it's just vote stuffing/campaigning. The amount of people who actually watch the entire round and then vote objectively is probably less than 10. Everyone else either votes for their friend, votes for the side of the resolution they agree with, or votes for the side that sounded good after they watched 6-10 minutes. The fact that Qallout could barely get 30 people for this tournament tells you that the current model of outreach just hasn't worked. It's been over a year, and there are only 600 members in the Qallout group, of whom less than 50 are even active. So called "outreach" serves no purpose except to get friends to vote for you.Re: Competitive Interest, agreed on this one. I mean, I did vote for you and Joe and Michael and Sig, but I gotta admit I'd be very ok with any of you being taken out in advance. There's a clear incentive to vote against the opponent you'd least want to face.
how can i join the discussion?
@adwang There needs to be an opening, when one person drops out, you can jump in. :)
@sigfried thank you !
Some separation between "support" and "voting" makes sense. Support could increase a debaters reputation and exposure, but voting would go towards deciding rounds in a tournament.And then you could have "voting privileges" that are earned somehow.I agree with Liamm that voters probably aren't converted to participants, though they could turn into viewers. I know that happens a little.
agree with liam, voters and viewers don't necessarily turn into participants
is this a townhall?
@adwang Yep, it's a new feature on the site, though it's not available for anyone to start them just yet. Though there is usually a "hang out" one available for folks to jump into.
how do you all think qallout can gain more popularity?
what do you think of qallout creating some debating tutorials?
Thoughts on the Echo Chamber stuff:- This is a hard sell, because, ppl who do huge spam threads often do them over the course of 10 hours, just dropping one flamer at a time. You cant do that on QallOut cause its a more time intensive exercise- Its not organic enough yet, you need ppl to randomly challenge eachother online rather than build a specific "community." Like atm there is a group of ppl who visit qallout all the time, which is good, but its not like there is a flamewar community, they just happen. So if you want QallOut to happen like that, then you need to get random debates to happen
@joe - it would also help transition viewers to participants
what do you guys feel about Qallout in the classroom or education sector?
@adwang We looked into it! We have some really cool ideas but it;s quite tough to commercialize due to slow decision making, limited funding etc. It's definitely on the table though, makes perfect sense
@gigi i think this avenue is definitely something that can be explored, especially with a bit of tweaking and filtering.
With well known people, the problem is, what is in it for them?
Love Norman Finkelstein he's my favorite academic.
I agree with Locke, you need to goad some of these people to get them to be motivated to come kick our asses. :)
@sigfried Thanks mate :)
my question for fallout. do the debates/discussions/chatrooms always have to be of important/sensitive topics? for example, can qallout curate debates that are trending? like sports (cavs or warriors), or pop culture (white dress or blue dress viral thing), etc?
@adwang no limits
@adwang There are no limitations. They have focused on "hot topics" because they draw attention. But some of the debates are just on fun or silly topics. Or just fun stuff like movies or video games.
So if you had a dedicated group of debaters who were going to have a debate on all the latest news stories, that might generate traffic, because then you kind of have your own brand of "oppositional punditry"Youd just have to be quite selective as to who you trust to debate the issues for quallity control. But QallOutNews in principle could be a cools series
@benmouse42 good point
Good format ben!
@benmouse42 that debate is also spammed all over 4 chan where he bashes the fuck out of you...hes a douche lol
@alot_like_locke https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@titusfrost/pizzagate-debate-on-qallout-titus-frost-versus-ben-hewitt-pedogate @benmouse42
does anyone want to join?
Been's tournament ideas are all pretty much gold.And yes, snowflakes that can't handle a loss... not cut out for debating I think. But the discussion formats are good for them.
@sigfried Sometimes there might be a problem in the judgment, I mean, losing a debate or anything in a competitive circumstance will obv cause some emotional reaction.
@alot_like_locke Sure, but it's what you do with your feelings that matters. I get my dander up a bit when I lose, but I try not to let that affect my behavior or judgement.
how can i create my own debate topic?
@adwang Hit exit and create a debate, or create a an idea and I will challenge you to it right now.
@alot_like_locke can someone debate me so i can try it out? https://www.qallout.com/debate/4484-who-would-you-build-your-nba-team-around-lebron-or-kevin-durant/live
@alot_like_locke how do i broadcast now! it automatically sets February 4th for me
@the_chosen_one hey, check your messages
sorry @benmouse42 and @sigfried had to leave, other job starts now lol (Dubai just opened for business).thanks for an awesome chat, see u guys later ;)
I am the future of Qallout.
Finally had a chance to watch this and I have to say I enjoyed hearing the feedback. And agree.I signed up for @qallout for the social debating aspect. I think the tournaments have value, in that like toastmasters they help improve public speaking. However, it seems to attract people who are only interested in the money and shameless self promotion. It pains me someone would send multiple rude and urgent messages to me in the middle of the night, for simply challenging them to a debate. $30 is too much for me right now, but I’d gladly pay $5 or $10.
@julian my sentiment exactly, however I would have no problem paying $30
Discussions are just as good as debates.