Which side makes a better case?
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  • a year ago
  • a year ago

    Crimes need consequences. Neg one this for sure.

    • a year ago

      @lernstorm thats true, however, when you side with pro, you are not saying that you never punish crimes, he is saying when you have to make a decision between the two, pick rehabilitation, because it is better for society, and better for the criminal, and doesn't just give us a philosophical satisfaction. my vote is for pro

  • a year ago

    @tantjams pro never gave a single statistic to actually prove that rehabilitation works. And when it is being valued above retribution it does mean that the punishment is going down and is being replaced with rehabilitation. Sure... Not the entire punishment, but rehab is being prioritized. I would have to still side with con. You have to look at it from the perspective of the victim as well.

  • a year ago

    @lewisoflime are sentences cut when criminals go through rehab programs?

    • a year ago

      If communism is bad because it has bad effects, then that application actually supports Pro. Pro is talking about how we judge the resolution by how to get the best effects (lower recidivism). If Rehabilitation creates better effects, then we should prefer that. If rehabilitation and/or communism create worse effects, then we consider that bad. Thus, the Communism application really hurts Con imo.

      Also I think it would have been nice if Pro would have cited a source on his recidivism numbers. Con doesn't contest the numbers so it isn't important, but that still does seem like a point that should have some sort of backup. But honestly, Con needs to contest this. If he doesn't, he loses almost by default.

      This is the second time I've watched Joe debate this topic as Pro, and both times, the Con just agrees that rehabilitation is far more successful at combating crime than retribution. So both Con's just admit that their side will lead to more people being hurt, raped, killed, etc. Under the values of human dignity/social peace, rather obviously, the less amount of crime, the better. Pro wins.

      • a year ago

        @sharkb8 Would've cited stats but we created the res and debate less than 24 hours before we started! Wanted to follow protocol so I just made the analysis based off common knowledge. Thanks for your feedback!

      • a year ago

        @lewisoflime yeah I getcha. I don't mean for the rule to stifle debate, it's just supposed to make it more doable for the opposition. And it worked out fine either way :D.