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  • 2 years ago

    Nice discussion gents. @airbornefichter is impeccably earnest and open and good natured here. I think he represents a large portion of christian thinking among laity.

    As someone who has debated these topics many times, I'm jaded on the topic.

    But it was still nice to listen to two very reasonable people share their perspectives without browbeating one another.

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    This Odds of prophecy apologetically is strange and a new one to me. What are the odds you can ride a Donkey? Really?

    All you need is to find a Donkey and ride it, that's 1:1 if you are trying to fulfill a prophecy. And Jesus was, according to the story, trying to fulfill a prophecy.

    And if the stories are fictional, then the writers will tailor them to meet the requirements of prophecy. Again, that makes the odds 1:1.

    • 2 years ago

      @sigfried Thank you for your input. I enjoy this site as an ability to talk with others about our individual views.
      The statement of the odds. What I was getting at there was the odds of someone being able to ride in on a donkey as a king would only fit if you were praised as a King by others. The odds of someone being praised by a large crowd as king would only be like 1:100. Also the odds of him being the messiah based on him being nailed to a cross is 1:10,000 as it was estimated that roughly 10,000 people have been crucified in said fashion. So someone in that group of 10,000 had to be the messiah. Now when you compile the odds of the 8 that I was discussing the total odds of anyone fulfilling said prophesies ends up being 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. Also as stated many of the stories in the bible can also be related to ancient historical writings of non-Christians that write about Jesus and his followers (Josephus, Tacitus, Babylonian Talmud, Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan, Lucian of Samosata).
      Again, thank you brother.