Anywhere I look I cant find one right that men have that women dont in the U.S.A. so I believe feminsm should not be a thing If anything feminists are wanting more rights then men and then we would be un-equal again...
"If anything feminists are wanting more rights then men and then we would be un-equal again..."A lie I hear a lot. From misogynists.
You are objectively wrong. Men like you are the types who see a room that is 2/3rd men, 1/3 women, and think that women are either 50/50 or that they are actually the majority.https://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/564580736/more-states-move-to-end-tampon-tax-that-s-seen-as-discriminating-against-womenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/voices/abortion-america-planned-parenthood-title-x-donald-trump-arkansas-roe-vs-wade-a8381181.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/women-running-for-office/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c3cac16427c8https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/reports/2014/03/07/85457/fact-sheet-the-womens-leadership-gap/https://womenandhollywood.com/resources/statistics/2017-statistics/
@arkle Okay so name one right that men have that women do not If I am an incorrect misogynists.
@devon The right not to have pay extra for hygiene products because of their gender, one of the things I listed but you probably ignored because you don't care about facts you just hate women.Oh, sure, it's not codified into law, but surely you wouldn't so LAZY and STUPID as to only ever take things at face value and never dig deeper into anything, would you? *cough*Oh, wait. How about access to the legal and safe medical procedure, which despite being legal on paper is de facto illegal in a number of states due to things like TRAP laws. I bet men (or at least cis men) in those same states don't have to worry about anything related to THEIR reproductive health, now do they?The answer is, no they don't Hell, the government will help pay for their boner pills but heaven-forfend someone without a penis would prefer not to allow a glob of cells to continue developing inside them, then suddenly that's murder. Even though it isn't and only misogynists think so.
@arkle okay so first of all higher taxes on hygiene products is because the government knows women won't care and will pay more for them still like raising taxes on cigarettes or amazon consumers will still buy them, and just because abortion is legal doesn't mean it is okay, its like weed in areas such as Colorado. FYI I'm not a misogynist I'm 15.
@devon "FYI I'm not a misogynist I'm 15."... That makes no sense. That's like saying "I'm not racist, I'm tall!" Like, what?
@arkle it was a joke... oh right women dont get comedy
@devon "it was a joke... oh right women dont get comedy"Oh hey, look at that, more misogyny from the guy who claims not to be misogynist. What's next, a period joke?
@arkle once again that was a joke on the controversy that women aren't as good comedians. Although gender doesn't have anything to do with comedy... that is off topic.
@arkle Well it seems as if you are done debating for now thankyou for debating until next time...
@devon Dude, it's not a joke if it isn't funny. If you did a stand-up and tried to make that a joke, people would be like wtf NEXT!
While women have largely legal equality in the US, they don't always have social equality, which is part of what feminism fights for.Beyond the US, there are still many places in the world where women don't have equality under the law, and feminists fight for them as well.
@sigfried "they don't always have social equality"I don't see any such social inequality. Can you give an example?
@mani_bharathy Sure, it is considered acceptable for men to show their nipples in public but not for women.
@sigfried "Female covering their breasts" was there in every culture (with some rare exceptions) I could think of from smaller tribes to bigger civilizations. This custom would have evolved for a reason, though I don't know why is it that way. Probably because its a secondary reproductive part for a women but it's not a reproductive part for man. Do you really think that's an inequality? I have never seen any feminist putting forth "breast covereing" as an inequality.@sharkb8 @ewatemberg @pseudonym @arkle what do you think? Being feminism supporter, is "breast covering" really a pressing issue for you guys?Do females really want to abolish "breast covering"? I don't think so. With my experience with them, I find that women WANT to cover their breasts, they are not doing it because it's a rule.Another issue I experience regarding this breast covering inequality is,whenever I go to beach or swimming pool I'm expected to remove my shirt. Particularly in swimming pool they allow women to wear a top but men should not wear a top. Men should wear only short shorts. That's a rule I've seen in many swimming pools. I myself feel a bit uncomfortable being topless in front of people (particularly women). What if a swimming pool does the same for women? Would everyone lose their minds? Should I call this an inequality against men?If at all there is some inequality in this breast covering thing, it has to be the nudity forced upon men in front of women. It shouldn't be the "women covering of breasts" rule
@mani_bharathy This sounds like an appeal to tradition to me, and I don't think i can agree with the rest of what you said...
@mani_bharathy the fact that everybody has examples of women being discriminated against, but almost no one has anywhere near the same level of examples of men being discriminated against, goes to show that it’s rather obviously harder to be female than male.
@sharkb8 okay. You are saying generally. I just wanna know what do you think about the specific "breast covering" issue Sig told. Is that an issue for you or not?
@mani_bharathy it's not a huge issue for me but yes it's an obvious area where women have needs and they are shunned for those needs. Clear discrimination.
@mani_bharathy Well, I do think it's BS that women HAVE to cover their breasts when men don't. Men's nipples can make women feel just as awkward as women's breasts. Both parts are not even supposed to be sexualized like they are. It's like sexualizing the fat on the back of legs. Seriously? If men can show breasts, women should be able to as well. And especially if we talk breatfeeding, women should be able to do it anywhere, anytime, in any way they want. Society needs to grow a pair and suck it up already. Stop being so paranoid. Movies, media, music, etc, already show/encourage sexualized shit as it is, so absorbing that but then turning around and saying "woah now, I can't handle seeing breasts in public" is hugely stupid and hypocritical.
@mani_bharathy I think it is inequality. It's not a great injustice, but it demonstrates there are certainly different standards or men and women that we mostly take for granted.There are feminists who fight for this one, though not all certainly. I only offered it up as a very specific and widespread example.I think most feminists are most concerned about social attitudes that favor men over women for selection in roles of leadership or for high paying work. I've certainly encountered sexism in my workplaces before.Sexuality norms are also a big deal for many. The idea that a sexually active woman is a slut but a sexually active man is a stud is a big one. There are quite a few others in this vein. Compared to when I was a kid, Women's equality in the social sphere has advanced quite a bit in the US. There is still a ways to go, but women are a lot more equal than they were so I can understand that someone might not immediately think of the differences that are still with us.
@sigfried @ewatemberg @sharkb8Anyone want to take this to h2h? "Women breast covering custom is a non-issue"Ewatemberg, i'm open for devil's advocate also.
@mani_bharathy Possibly. I think devil's advocate on that one could be quite difficult. Also, I think we need to rephrase that. We must state the context it's used with, maybe add the fact we were referring to whether it's an issue in feminism or not. I mean, part of it is I guess, but it's not a MAIN issue I would think.
*I will say though that this sort of thing LEADS to other, much bigger issues though.
@ewatemberg "I think devil's advocate on that one could be quite difficult. "devil's advocate in this topic is difficult for which side? I think its difficult for both sides because we have to prove the opposite of what we think is true. if its difficult for both of us then its fair" I think we need to rephrase that"ok then rephrase it in a better way.My stand is "women breast covering custom" is a total non issue. it has nothing to do with feminism. feminism has nothing to do with the worldIf you can bring any res that conflicts with my stand, im always up for debate
@ewatemberg offtopic : I wanted to know if ewatemberg is a real jewish name . so i googled it. interestingly i found a github account. is that you?
@kyrothehero Since you supported feminism in our lounge discussion, what do you think about Sig's "breast covering" issue in the comments?
You have take into account the fact that men like us are trying to take women's abortion rights when we have no idea what they're going through.