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  • a year ago

    Abortion is taking a human life. No matter how you look at it, it is. Although you are only killing the child before it is born I feel like that is worse because they haven't gotten to live, you have only given that child the one thing that is certain in life. DEATH.

    • a year ago

      @devon Wrong. I notice you've been pretty consistently wrong since coming to this site. See, your assertion is not based on facts, but on propaganda pushed over the past 40 years by far right wing misogynist hate groups. Your side lies, murders doctors, harasses women, and deceptively edits videos to try and paint a legal and safe medical procedure as something equivalent to Nazi human experimentation. This is why they do not deserve the label of Pro-Life. They are Anti-Choice Terrorists.

      Here is a fact: Life does not begin at conception. https://www.romper.com/p/3-ways-science-proves-life-doesnt-begin-at-conception-despite-what-the-hhs-strategic-plan-is-telling-you-3199987
      Here is another fact: The idea that life begins at conception is a "Biblical" principle didn't actually come into being until some after McDonald's first introduced the Happy Meal. Yes, really. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/

    • a year ago

      @arkle Well if you wanna get technical nothing is set in stone not even gravity but you see I am one of those people who cherished life and want to bring the joy and wonder of the world to other people. And I will admit you got me with the life deosn't begin at conseption thing. But I think that it is killing because although it is still inside of the mother it is still a separate being as in if it dies in most cases the mother doesn't such as Abortion

    • a year ago

      @devon "But I think that it is killing because although it is still inside of the mother it is still a separate being as in if it dies in most cases the mother doesn't such as Abortion"

      Except you don't respect life, because, in your system of thought, the woman isn't a human being, a life, but an incubator. So you really don't respect life, unless it is a tiny clump of cells that could one day become a person. And you'll respect it unless it grows up into a woman in which you'll want to use your backward thinking ideology to control their reproductive rights.

      And the thing about you Anti-Choicers is, you also don't care if the fetus isn't viable. You aren't Pro-Life, you are Pro-Forced Birth. Your ideology leads to women, ACTUAL LIVING PEOPLE, dying because the fetus, which they had wanted to become a child, has unfortunately died in utero and they need to go through the procedure to remove the lifeless thing before it kills them.

      This is the world people who want to ban the procedure of abortion want; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

      Didn't want to be pregnant at all, or wanted to be but something went wrong, in both cases you are calling them murderers. I wish I believe in Hell so I could tell you to go there for that awful ideology.

    • a year ago

      @arkle Women are real living people, yes andI undestand and respect men and women equally as long as they dont disrespect me. I understand that obortion is nessisary in some cases but that doesn't make it right. I am all about bringing the earths popuation down as well that is another reason I say this.

    • a year ago

      @devon "Women are real living people, yes andI undestand and respect men and women equally as long as they dont disrespect me."

      Sounds nice at first glance, except you've made it clear that by "respect me" you mean "allow me to disrespect others with impunity without any consequences."

      "I understand that obortion is nessisary in some cases but that doesn't make it right."

      A stupid statement. Would you say that about an amputation, or tooth extraction?

      "I am all about bringing the earths popuation down as well that is another reason I say this."

      Oh boy, the old "overpopulation" chestnut. Yeah, here's the thing about that... it is racist AF. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/19/overpopulation-cities-environment-developing-world-racist-paul-ehrlich This is not to say that we should continue to expand mindlessly, and frankly people in developed countries who feel the need to have 10 children scare me because they usually do so for stated reasons that lead like a recruitment pamphlet for a cult, but how we talk about the population issue is often really loaded with lots of implications that resource crises that are in reality caused by multinational corporations and corrupt governments are because of "Brown people outside Europe and North America having too many kids."

      Man, only 15 and already talking like a die-hard fascist. I mean, I had some dumb ideas when I was that age (like for instance I thought Revenge of the Nerds was a good movie), but at least I wasn't an egotistical bigot. Well, not a bigot anyway.

    • a year ago

      @arkle a tooth doesn't have the chance to become a human being... I don't see how that is a valid argument. I don't see how the fact that we are as a world population going steadily upward. I am not discriminating against any race I am stating that there are a lot of people in the world and we don't need any more shit I shouldn't have been born.

    • a year ago

      @devon "a tooth doesn't have the chance to become a human being..."

      But tooth extraction is still a safe medical procedure that people get for reasons that ultimately aren't any of your business. Just like abortion.

      "I don't see how the fact that we are as a world population going steadily upward. "

      I feel like this was supposed to be a longer sentence.

      "shit I shouldn't have been born."

      Well I certianly won't argue that last point.

    • a year ago

      @arkle what up with all these low blows can feminists not be civil? Okay, then let's be uncivil. Well, I hate to disagree but as a child when your dad says you're gonna have a baby brother and then, later on, tells you that the baby is dead I think that kinda makes it my business, And if anything the world needs less weak people LIKE you (not specifically you) who cry just because just because somebody told them "You're a bitch" But in reality those thing happen to me all the time and we just laugh about it.

    • a year ago

      @devon "what up with all these low blows can feminists not be civil? "

      Oh, go f*** yourself. You are literally arguing to take away a group of people's basic human rights on the grounds that you don;t like, and you're gonna call for civility? Really? You are basically saying "How dare you move when I'm trying to hit you," that is the kind of logic you are operating under here.

      Not to mention, we all know that with people like you "civlity" means "submission."

      "Well, I hate to disagree but as a child when your dad says you're gonna have a baby brother and then, later on, tells you that the baby is dead I think that kinda makes it my business,"

      That makes it a tragedy (assuming the pregnancy was wanted and ended as the result of illness or injury). Not an excuse to argue for the banning of a medical procedure.

      "And if anything the world needs less weak people LIKE you"

      And again with the fascist language. As expected.

      "who cry just because just because somebody told them "You're a bitch""

      What? You mean people you insult get insulted? Oh dear, let me get my fainting couch! *eye roll* This from the asshole who claims "I go be they/them" is an act of disrespect to him personally. You definitely shouldn't have been all right.

      "But in reality those thing happen to me all the time and we just laugh about it."

      No, we don't. I laugh about it while you claim your free speech is being violated when people refuse to treat your grade school understanding of biology as the be-all-end-all of the matter. And yet you call me weak. HA! People who are actually strong don't feel "disrespected" by non-binary people asking to be treated with the bare minimum of decorum.

      You are absolutely right about one thing though. You definitely should never have been born. We stormed a beach in France in 1944 to get rid of people like you, not coddle them.

    • a year ago

      @arkle why did we go to france to get rid of mexicans?

    • a year ago

      @arkle are you going to bring up new evidence or just talk shit cuz if I wanna hear some shit talking I'll just go to school and be myself... You also apperently dont understand that I want to end abortion because it has negative affects on peoples lives including the baby which you dont seem to care about

    • a year ago

      @devon "are you going to bring up new evidence or just talk shit"

      Why, so you can ignore that too? Why waste my time?

      "cuz if I wanna hear some shit talking I'll just go to school and be myself..."

      Given your attitude here, I'm thinking you deserve every bit of clapback you get at school.

      "You also apperently dont understand that I want to end abortion because it has negative affects on peoples lives including the baby which you dont seem to care about"

      It's amazing. You are 100% wrong. Did you know the vast majority of people who get abortions don't regret it? And that while those that do are entitled to their feelings, my compassion ends for them when they try to use their regret to strip the right to make that decision away from everyone else? Or that a fetus isn't a baby?

      Of course not, but you don't care about facts. You just say you do because you think that if you use the right set of words to make your horrible case people won't think it's horrible anymore.

    • a year ago

      @devon Steven Crowder is a racist and a liar, his fans are jerks who spam the comments on my YouTube channel, and you are a lousy excuse for a human being. To be only 15 and already be this much of a failure... I see nothing but sadness and misery in your adulthood, and it will be all your fault, but you go to your (probably early) grave blaming it on people who use the word "Xi."

    • a year ago

      @arkle No whats a waste of your time all that typing instead of talking face to face whitch takes so much less time but theres something wrong with talking IG

    • a year ago

      @devon Setting aside the fact that QallOut and my webcam have never gotten along since the early days of the site (Yaz can confirm that), I do not do H2Hs with people I do not believe will be debating in good faith. It happened once as the result of a Tournament where I had no control over who the opponent would be (had to use my MOm's laptop for that; see my aformentioned webcam issues). Never again. I get enough sealioning and concern trolling on other websites and in these comments, I don't need to get it shoved in my face via webcam.

    • a year ago

      @arkle mmm kind of making yourself look bad...you jumped the gun a little bit "Except you don't respect life, because, in your system of thought, the woman isn't a human being, a life, but an incubator. So you really don't respect life, unless it is a tiny clump of cells that could one day become a person. And you'll respect it unless it grows up into a woman in which you'll want to use your backward thinking ideology to control their reproductive rights." you talk about TRUTH but is that really what shes saying. hmm looks like someone is letting there opinion get in the way of logical debate.

  • a year ago

    Murder is simply taking a life. It is an unlawful killing or an immoral killing. There are many ways one person can kill another without commuting murder.

    In the US, a fetus is not a person by law. They are not explicitly protected by the bill of rights. They are human, true, but so is a blood sample. Personhood, legal, moral, or otherwise can be a very complicated issue.

    You may feel that a fertilized egg is a person, but most other people don't feel that way. There is wide disagreement on the subject.

    So technically, it is not murder (legally speaking). Morally speaking, I judge that some abortions are murder, and some are not. The circumstances and the age of the fetus make a significant difference in my personal evaluation of the situation.

    • a year ago

      This is a topic that never had a concluded answer to the way I perceive it based on accurate medical facts. I will explain my knowledge to anyone who is interested if you desire to continue reading.

      From the first couple weeks of a pregnancy, the egg has just been fertilized. It is extremely tiny as if it were a tiny piece of sand. There is no heartbeat, no brain, no identifying fetus- yet. At this point in pregnancy an abortion pill can be taken to abort the soon to be created fetus. Here, I don’t see an issue if a baby is really uncalled for and can’t live a good life if continued into the process (unless it is an excuse to unsafe sex).

      After around 7-8 weeks of pregnancy, the fetus begins to administer a heartbeat, as he/she is a live human being. Abortion is soon than changed to a procedure than a pill, and the fetus can often be registered and seen as a very tiny baby. This is where abortion is taking a life. Notice, I didn’t opinionize “taking a life,” as that is what it exactly is. Hence the word murder.

      So the answer to poll, as there is “AGREE; UNSURE; DISAGREE”, there should be more of an exact elaboration when resolving the stance on murder connected to abortion.