Shmu fought in Gaza, in the previous video he said that
well this just got interesting.. what about the last military aid deal from the US?
Settlements are also part of the "peace" plan?
Everyone agrees Hamas is evil, can we leave them alone and talk about the rest of Palestine?
1. yea they are enjoying rights and normal conditions unlike their cousins in every other arab nation. nad i mean water food electricity constant supplies and funding from israeli government on behalf of the the ISRAELI tax payer2.its hard to divide hamas and palestinians when the first has the seconds ajenda and life style afeccted and dictated from top to bottom. it is rare to find a palestinian village without a terror cell in it 3. palestinian media is the best in the world so everything ur TV tells u about the matter is probably wrong, i perosnally went to a mini riot in dam square about the matter and they showed syrian jet fighters bombing halab rebells as idf planes in gaza.
LOL! I'm just glad my question got answered lol :)
But shouldn't Israel as the wealthier, more educated, more "civilized" country act more responsibly?
You dont live in Palestine to judge im a palestinian and almost every week a palestinian die because of setelments
That's exactly my point Bashar.. I've lived in the middle east, have plenty of Arab friends including Palestinians and I find unacceptable what is happening. We cannot call ourselves humans for letting people live or die in this way..Palestine, Syria.. So my expectations from nations that want to call themselves civilized and "seeking peace" is to act in the opposite way than Israel and the relevant lobbies have been doing
But why do you call it palestian this name doesn't exist anymore
"A spokesperson for the health ministry in Gaza said" - I think there is what to debate about that, and what not to take at face value...I also won't begin to discuss the other cease-fires which were broken by Hamas militants. But regardless, if that did happen, it's appalling. I would venture to say that there is probably another side to the story, and/or what to look into as to the validity of the report.
Some Israeli citizens do sure, but you definitely can't say that about it's Right Wing government. I mean, unless you consider the forced sterilization of Black women, or the harassment of Holocaust survivors who don't toe the party line on Gaza, or dropping bombs on Palestinian kids playing soccer on the beach steps towards peace.
Regarding to the the bombs on kids jast so you know Israel literally dropped hundreds of notes that said please evacuate this place's going to get bombed on places where hamas were shooting missiles from.
If there were people shooting missiles *from* the beach, I doubt those kids would've been playing. Stop making excuses for child murderers.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children
Everyone knows that Hamas used civilians, including children, as live human shields.
So does Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.530993
Any word on a new link?
Lol! Troll of the year award, well played (QallOut CEO here)
was fun we will do it again, a few bugs still in qallout
I'll get on that ASAP over the weekend
"Land that Israel has taken" !! how can you take something by foce and then claim you want peace !!
Israel has not had much of a choice in this situation. Palestine acts, and Israel reacts to protect herself. What else is Netanyahu supposed to do when a neighboring country run by a terrorist organization starts attacking civilians?!
Israel hasn't had a choice?! As if Palestine has?? rydawson ended this debate when he made the simple point that the stronger side has the responsibility of bringing about peace, not the oppressed side. If Israel wanted to end this conflict it could have done so many times.
These guys are just arguing about who started it but let's be honest it's about who is going to FINISH it, and Israel is the only one in this conflict that has the power to do that...they just refuse to.
Information about the conflict has been so contaminated by propaganda and misinformation, so I'm going to agree with the guy who has actually been there and SEEN firsthand what is happening. shmu, I think you're spot on
Shmu is an AMERICAN idf soldier, he lived in america but went to the middle east for alittle bit of time. Where as Rayan Dawson has done his research well. And everything he said was true. Because I lived through most of the events. Shumeaul was stuttering 98% of the time and when he didn't know what to argue back he says some inpirational things like ISREAL WOULD NEVER DO THAT. but look how he lied his way through israeli history and at the end he finally agreed that isreal did start all the wars.I have distant family in Gaza I haven't seen for 15 years. And I probably wont see them. And I can never enter Isreal because there are soldiers pointitng the gun at me if i get too close. But then this airhead is saying that he can't get into jenin or Ramallah. that's a lie, they've gone in many times and completely bombed down building and killed families. ,And in my university idf soldiers shoot at students on random days and through tear gas bombs and destroy school property. On other days they close down the check points on palestinian property and i cant go back to my city to see my parents. You don't even know the hell i've been living in from the occupation.
Oh so as an Israeli, let me tell you that Shmu wasn't even close to representing the Israeli side. I'm sorry but you guys brought shit upon yourself. If you were smart you would've been Qatar by now, but how bad is that your leaders don't give shit about you and prefer you dead or poor while stealing all you money. Should've known better who to hate and who to vote for. I mean how pathetic is that you prefer working for the Israelis while blaming the Israelis that you live like shit while your leaders live in palaces. This ignorance is something I'm just incapable of understanding.
thats not right, ramallah and Jenin are not racially segregated cities. there are muslims, christians and jews living in those cities. same as nablus
That is absolutely, and factually incorrect. There are no Jews living in those cities whatsoever.And even if you say that potentially Jews are allowed to enter those cities, just look at the last two who entered - Vadim Norzhich and Yosef Avrahami (two Israeli army reservists) - and then you can tell me it's okay for Jews in Ramallah and Jenin.
I'm sorry this is just irresponsible to post a dibate with a person who makes false statements and bases his whole theory on them. And I'm talking about the pro-palestinians guy. I couldn't even keep listening after he started talking about the disengagement. His whole speach was taken from the biased propoganda which was just a bunch of lies. I don't know how much the pro-israeli guy knows in order to handle a dibate like this. However, as an israeli who went through the second intifada, through the disengagement and through the last two wars in gaza as a wife of a reserve soldier, this pro palestinian made me want to shout. Unfortunately the guy who represented Israel in this debate, didn't have enough political and historical knowledge to be able to handle this debate. And it seems to me that the pro palestinian guy is so convinced he knows the best, atleast someone needs to tell him that it's not polite to eat while debating someone. If I was there, he wouldnt have felt that comfortable.Anyways, the only comment I do feel that I must make about this debate (besides those in which he mentiones completely false historical facts which is most of the debate, and I can really bother and make a whole comment about it) Is that the conflict started even before the establishment of Israel which has been confirmed by the majority of the countries in the UN. If you ask an arab about this land he would say that tel aviv also belongs to them so it's either ehat they think is irrelivent or what the UN thinks is irrelivent. Anyways, in 1947 UN offered them half of the land, an agreement which israel accepted and the arabs didn't. Instead they started a war which they lost. Everything starts from that very moment. Since then, Israel as a sovereign state has been maintaing tge security of it's people. AND IM SORRY BUT I DONT FEEL LIKE APOLOGIZING FOR BEING THE STRONGER IN THIS CONFLICT FIRST OF ALL BECAUSE WE INVESTED WAY TOO MUCH MONEY FOR THAT SECOND OF ALL, THE PRICE OF BEING WEAKER IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS KNOWN FOR EVERBODY TODAY. SO THANK YOU BUT NO THANK YOU. PEACE FROM ISRAEL TO YOU ALL.
Oh and another fact is that in 2000 Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat 98% of the west bank anf Gaza- the palestinians refused. Ehud Olmert offered Abu Mazen 99% including Jerusalem- abu mazen refused. So I think that as the strongest and the more responsible we've payed our duty. I mean except comitting a suicide and giving away the keys we practically did everything possible to end this conflict. You can't force peace on somebody who doesn't want it. And if you want to know what I think so I dont think the leaders of the palestinians want it to end. It brings them too much money. I mean Yasser Arafat died as a bilionaire, abu mazen is a bilionaire and their people struggle for food and mostly work in Israel. Why would they want to give this all up?
I hope next time the debate will be with you or someone with your knowladge. Because you neef to have based facts for this kind of debate...
Hey first of all I'm sorry if it sounded bad. You did your best and thank you very much for bothering. When I said that you weren't even close to represting fully the Israeli side by all the facts and all the complains that we have for the arabs- because there are so many facts that if you only mentioned 10% of them, the other kid would've lost his point immediatly. So that was my response to the palestinian claiming that that guy "made his research well". I must admit that I didn't watch the other parts so you might've mentioned those facts then, whatever I said was based on this debate only.
@batsheva_1 What do you think of the debate "Israel is the victim, not the aggressor"?: https://www.qallout.com/debate/1401-israel-is-the-victim-not-the-aggressorhttps://www.qallout.com/debate/1432-israel-is-the-victim-not-the-aggressor-part-22
@saynotodemocide will have to watch it later and tell you then.
Perhaps the most "enjoyable" (if that can be said) debate on this very difficult subject. Hope there is a follow up. *****