Fair debate gents. It's partly a matter of , as pro says, where do you draw the line and what do you call a given balance of government and private capital.It partly depends on what your baseline is. I think Seth seems to be very open to learning and thinking over his positions. That's always great to see. As usual, Ben is fantastic at explaining the rationale of various positions. It was nice listening to you gents.I'll vote Pro here, I think there is a wide divide between DS and full C. Bigger than any given capitalist nation and DS.