Which side makes a better case?
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  • 3 months ago

    I can hear you

    • 3 months ago

      Is Pro on IOS? I can see and hear Daniel.

      • 3 months ago

        I have reloaded is anyone there?

        • 3 months ago

          both sides with never be equal... biology

          • 3 months ago

            @darielle Well, they can be equal. They can be different but still be equal. When women face difficulties in the workforce men don't face, or face backwards discriminatory laws around the world, or face higher rates of sexual abuse and harassment, that doesn't suggest equality.

          • 2 months ago

            @sharkb8 let me rephrase that.... there is no need for us to be 100% equal to eachother. that's stupid. there are somethings women can do that men cant and vise versa and you all need to stop being sensitive millennials and work to make yourself as an individual better not complain that life is unfair. Men need to be able to be MEN without some woman kicking him in the nuts for doing so and woman need to be able to be woman without men kicking them in the ovaries for doing so.... so OTHER women stop kicking woman in the ovaries for doing so. there is so much science to prove that men and woman are not equal (except for the random exception) and we need to help each other hone our different skills and individuality. and with you being a man, guess what? there is no room for you here in a feminist world. u think they want equality? nope. they want to dominate the male species at all costs. im seeing it in the school system where my son is set up to fail. the differences in male and female are so great that u can notice it in children and the way they play and interact. and they are COMPLETLY UNBIASE to the problems of the world today regarding equality. seriously... go to a school and watch the kids. young kids grade 1-3... you will see IMMEDIATELY that there is a difference in their behaviours and how they play. this is linked to the brains activity. the female brain and male brain are wired differently... how can u say that two brains who are wired different, two bodys who are built different can ever be 100% equal? will men EVER be able to carry a child full term, give birth, and breast feed? very unlikely. (we will never be equal till this happens) can a man just take his child away from mom? no. but ive seen countless women do it. tell me.... how do u tell me we are suppose to be 100% equal?

        • 3 months ago

          men don't report rape because they are taught its shameful

          • 3 months ago

            there are problems HUMANS have... equal....

            • 3 months ago

              women are more violent then men... they get away with it by being "a woman"

              • 3 months ago

                vast majority of men actually don't report rape because of shame

              • 3 months ago

                that was one of the most productive conversations ive ever had about feminism. thank you for the civil debate :)

                • 3 months ago

                  This was a really good debate. Very respectful back and forth on each side.

                  I came in preferring Con's side, so maybe I'm biased, but I did think he won this. From a pure debate standpoint, Con is the one who actually presented a definition, and ultimately that's what the debate comes down to. The final salvo between the two sides helped illuminate the differences in perspective, because Con goes hard on his rape points, and he does prove that there are much higher numbers of rape victims who are female. Pro agrees that that is something that should be combatted (because of course it should).

                  Once that is established, both sides have agreed that equality still needs to be fought for. Since Con actually presented a definition and stuck with it, he wins on that point, because he has long been holding that feminism is "fighting for equality of the sexes", which Pro just agreed is still needed.

                  I do see Pro's point though that if feminists keep demonizing men, they won't help anybody and will be essentially "useless". But since feminism in general is still worth fighting for, I'm voting Con.

                  • 3 months ago
                    • 3 months ago

                      @jb043 I agree with most of what you said here. One thing I would say though, is that with regards to the wage gap, it is possible that women are being culturally pressured to go into lower paying jobs, but we don’t know that. Even in countries that predominantly value women’s choice, women still often choose jobs with lower wages. It’s possible that women are being pressured, but it’s also possible that women are just picking jobs that make them feel fulfilled, even knowing that the jobs will be lesser paying. For instance, I myself know the value of jobs I could work in, but I choose to pursue art, because it’s what makes me feel happy/fulfilled.

                      So the existence of the wage gap may or may not be a problem, hence why I don’t make it the focus of my points. But the incredibly low amount of female CEO’s and representatives is a direct result of societal expectations and pressures, so I do make the same point you were making, but with regards to high level positions.

                      Otherwise I very much liked your analysis and I’ll look forward to your second video response.

                    • 3 months ago
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                    • 3 months ago

                      @sharkb8 @guyinthebackofavan there's another one below this btw

                  • a month ago

                    I think it really started going down hill with chicks and dudes right after the 90s ... I do agree the propaganda against men has been around for a good bit ... You can see it back when Tesla spoke of women when he was commenting on why he never married

                    Just my personal thoughts

                    Good talk between you dudes

                    I think dude in the Van has the right premise but didn't deliver the counter points as I might have