Which side makes a better case?
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  • 12 days ago

    I can hear you

    • 12 days ago

      Is Pro on IOS? I can see and hear Daniel.

      • 12 days ago

        I have reloaded is anyone there?

        • 12 days ago

          both sides with never be equal... biology

          • 12 days ago

            @darielle Well, they can be equal. They can be different but still be equal. When women face difficulties in the workforce men don't face, or face backwards discriminatory laws around the world, or face higher rates of sexual abuse and harassment, that doesn't suggest equality.

        • 12 days ago

          men don't report rape because they are taught its shameful

          • 12 days ago

            there are problems HUMANS have... equal....

            • 12 days ago

              women are more violent then men... they get away with it by being "a woman"

              • 12 days ago

                vast majority of men actually don't report rape because of shame

              • 12 days ago

                that was one of the most productive conversations ive ever had about feminism. thank you for the civil debate :)

                • 12 days ago

                  This was a really good debate. Very respectful back and forth on each side.

                  I came in preferring Con's side, so maybe I'm biased, but I did think he won this. From a pure debate standpoint, Con is the one who actually presented a definition, and ultimately that's what the debate comes down to. The final salvo between the two sides helped illuminate the differences in perspective, because Con goes hard on his rape points, and he does prove that there are much higher numbers of rape victims who are female. Pro agrees that that is something that should be combatted (because of course it should).

                  Once that is established, both sides have agreed that equality still needs to be fought for. Since Con actually presented a definition and stuck with it, he wins on that point, because he has long been holding that feminism is "fighting for equality of the sexes", which Pro just agreed is still needed.

                  I do see Pro's point though that if feminists keep demonizing men, they won't help anybody and will be essentially "useless". But since feminism in general is still worth fighting for, I'm voting Con.

                  • 10 days ago
                    • 9 days ago

                      @jb043 I agree with most of what you said here. One thing I would say though, is that with regards to the wage gap, it is possible that women are being culturally pressured to go into lower paying jobs, but we don’t know that. Even in countries that predominantly value women’s choice, women still often choose jobs with lower wages. It’s possible that women are being pressured, but it’s also possible that women are just picking jobs that make them feel fulfilled, even knowing that the jobs will be lesser paying. For instance, I myself know the value of jobs I could work in, but I choose to pursue art, because it’s what makes me feel happy/fulfilled.

                      So the existence of the wage gap may or may not be a problem, hence why I don’t make it the focus of my points. But the incredibly low amount of female CEO’s and representatives is a direct result of societal expectations and pressures, so I do make the same point you were making, but with regards to high level positions.

                      Otherwise I very much liked your analysis and I’ll look forward to your second video response.

                    • 8 days ago
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                    • 8 days ago

                      @sharkb8 @guyinthebackofavan there's another one below this btw