Why is it Israel's fault that the UN gave the land to Israel? it was a defensive war
Who gave the right to the British to give any land to anyone. And if it felt generous to give land its only place is its land. Why do u thing they gave Israel a land so far away from them. Because they hate it, they dont want it to be anywhere near them. Just to let you know, not a lot of people like jews. Most of the world doesnt. Jews for me are like KKK and ISIS, but backed up by US. If they realy care about israel. Move them somewhere closer and make them feel safe. No one wants Israel close. They dont belong in the middle east. They will never belong there and they are not welcome and they will never take palastine.
What is the borders of that so called state? Israel borders now isn't the borders of 1948 nor 1967!
The majority of UN countries also recognize Palestine and condemn the settlements.. is Israel being selective of what international decisions they will follow?
Resolution (242) and (338)
Actually there wasn't there israel before :D
I've actually seen that IDF report the guy is talking about on collective punishment, although i don't think it's verified
This debate is propaganda vs. propaganda. Israel media coverage versus Arab media coverage. The truth lies somewhere in the middle yet neither side will admit that
That means they have no problem killing innocent people just because a group that carried their flag attacked Israel?!!!
The first Hamas rocket was fired in 2003!
The first Palestinian village was burnt in 1929.
@hyp It may not always have been about Hamas but it certainly is now. But that being said, I am not sure it excuses Israel's foreign policy and attack-first-explain-later mentality
End the occupation
Israel has a right to the land. However, they need to end the occupation and introduce a two-state solution.
What is that right? And what legitimacy did it have prior to 1948 partition plan?
Man get outta here u clearly are delusional or have zero idea what the fuck u are talking about !! Free Palestine!!! So proud of you Mahmoud 👍👍
The israili araps is treated as 2nd class citizens
@batsheva_1 can you please share some real life examples of Arabs having the same rights and prosperity potential as Jewish? This will be really useful so that we can avoid the media propaganda. Anything from your personal experience but pls be honest and objective
ofcourse. they have the right to vote they have walefare they work everywhere they want they can practice their religion everywhere they want they go to universities. they have completely equal rights to jewish citizens in israel.
watch an Israeli arab claiming that there's appartheid in Israel. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnwVYyXHKV0
oh and ofcourse there are arab parliament members in israel. More equality than that? and the arab party is the third biggest in the Israeli parliament.
Those same parliament members have something to say about their status as arabs in Israel. You have no authority to speak on their behalf. If you want to know more about the life of arabs in Israel you should talk to the arabs in Israel.
I welcome all input especially when it's coming from real life experience but not so much in the theoretical space "what could arabs do" but more there "XX Palestinian arabs teach in universities, or run successful businesses, or get scholarships compared to Israelis". Not a big fan of politicians and I'm suspecting that the third party of arabs is probably a bunch of guys who care more about themselves rather than their people. Based on my personal experience, all my Israeli friends share how amazing their country is, best sea, parties, food etc. and they are usually very privileged.. good schools, education, travelled the world, lots of entrepreneurs supported by Israeli businessmen etc. When I talk to my Palestinian friends on the other hand, they portray a very different picture...they can only cross borders at specific times that can change based on the Israeli judgement, they usually leave and try to make a life for themselves but usually with no support from anyone, their families cannot even travel, no way to make businesses or prosper.. Would love to hear more examples of successful Palestinians having equal rights and prospering as Israelis. Unfortunately I haven't met anyone yet.. apart from the ones who found a way to leave the country and build a life for themselves
Also, it's a bit oxymoron to say that Arabs have the same rights in a state that it's Jewish right??? And you are not implying that Arabs abroad also get the same treatment as Jewish who decide to go to Israel right? so...
@batsheva_1 also, so that we can try to be as fair as possible here. Can you think of examples that Arabs do not have equal rights? (like the one above) Cause I guess this is what we should be discussing..
How about the right to keep on living in their homes, and villages? The right for self determination, the right to proper education, the right to be human beings? Clearly, you have conveniently restricted your sample Israeli citizens (with passports) to claim all you want about how Israel treats them (which is also bs), but what say you of the rest of the Palestinians in the west bank and Hana? What say you if the millions of Palestinians living in diaspora around the world? The refugees in Lebanon that have been vacated from their homes in Israel/Palestine? What say you of the killings and the subjugation of the palestinin children? It is only last week that a palestinin child was sentenced to 12 years in prison in violation of international law and all human rights treaties.. the examples are countless. Israel is a racist state, it is an apartheid state.
So its okay for them to keep on killing the Palestinians just because they think its there God given place. So it was ok for Hitler to kill jews?
The UN is legitimate when it gave Israel the land, but it's not legitimate when it calls the settlements illegal? I'd like to hear from the lady
I want to hear this compared to Iran! @hyp @batsheva_1 really want to hear if you think American and Israeli foreign policy is actually comparable to Iran
Most of the countries in the world recognize Palestine already
70% of the UN States, to be specific. 136 countries to be VERY specific.
Who doesnt recognise Palestine. Every where in the world youll find people that recognise Palastine but not everywhere youll find people recognising Israel.
How come one country has the power to divide our world? This is really stupid..
How the hell is Israel going to defend itself against terrorists after they remove the occupation?
Can you please put the links here?
How wasnt there a palastinian state? Israel is 60 somthing old.
and what was here before israel? british mandate. what was before that? turks. before that mamluks and before that romans and before that jews. Never has been a soveireign state called palestine on the territory of israel today.
That's just rubbish. But what you are doing is taking history out of its context. You are taking the western definition of a nation state And trying to apply it to the case at hand. But that definition does not apply. But without turning this into a lengthy discussion, can you please explain to us readers why is there a problem now if there was no Palestine before?? You should connect a little more with your humanity and admit that beyond any political demarcation points, there were Palestinians living in this land that you refuse to call Palestine, and that by making such a statement, you effectively deny their existence and deny them the right to live. This is how low you are willing to go to serve your bigotry.. shame!
Now the romans and the British divided the lands??!!! Damn!
Mouses was in egypt and in sinai too? Is that ur land too? And what about the UN recognition of Jerusalem as an arabic heritage site??
So is the UN the Gods of the world? They can say and its done. If so why dont you listen to everything they say? Contradiction much?
Being a refugee is about u being a national of some country! Judaism is a religion not a nationality
@batsheva_1 so you are saying that because you were refugees, great Britain gave u the power to take the palestinians land, and kick them out and make them homeless and refugees too??? Is that how humans should treat each other?!!
no, what im saying is that britain and the majority of the countries in the un gave the permission to esteblish a jewish state on the territory of the mandate. we agreed, arabs attacked. we won they lost. as simple as that. since then israel has known that without a strong army we would be wiped off the earth in a sec so we gained power to defend ourselvs. those who have been attacking us since then are the arabs. do they have the right to do that?
One false statement after another.. all to help you rationalize why you're right in doing what you're doing.. but then again how could you possibly be wrong? Right?
You are more than welcome to prove me wrong:)
btw - Iran's potential nuclear power is a threat for the majority of Middle East i.e. sunnis not just Israel... this does not mean that all the region will start building nukes and attacking each other!
I like how you decided that the Middle East is Sunnis+Israel lol.. what happened to national identities, countries and peoples?
@drewjenkins76 sorry probably misunderstanding here. Middle East includes Levant, GCC, North Africa countries etc. unfortunately, the way people categorize themselves and their alliances in this particular region is very much associated with the religion. I don't agree and I hope this will change but it's a fact...
Killing kids and hitting women, and you call that self defense from Palestinian terrorists??????
Israely ppl are strangers in the area. :D why are they the only ppl in the middle east thats different bcuz they are strangers.
The people of Israel are the only people in the world who speak the same language, live in the same land and pray the same God as 3000 years ago. This land has always been holy because it is connected to first monotheistic religion which is Judaism. Arabs origion is from the Arabian Peninsula.As far as I know, it's some way to the south from here. so stop claiming childish claims.
Again, every statement you make reveals the shallowness of your knowledge. Te Arabs are actually semetic people. In fact, they are the majority of the semites in the world and Jews are the minirity of semites. Perhaps you should go check this one out.. but such is the power of Zionist propaganda, that the actual term of anti-semetic became synonymous with any person, especially arabs, that defend the right of the Palestinian to life!
Why the hell did israel attack Egypt then? Because Egypt wanted to get their land or because of what????
Because Egypt was planning to attack Israel and everyone knew that among the international society. Plus it's irrelevant becuase we have peace agreement.
They receive dollars for humanitarian aid and to reconstruct the infrastructure and civilian areas the Israeli offinsive army bombarded. They dont receive dollars to upgrad weaponry
the most stupid, false, not based comment here. And there are a few others here also. Go check the facts, it's not flattering to let others know how brainwashed you are. I still wonder how many schools Hamas could've built instead of the tunnels. But wait, there are no schools but plenty of tunnels. And that is Israels fault ofcourse. Man, this is pathetic.
She says except 1967 pre-emptive attack that launched the 6 day war. Israel has never been the aggressor. Well can you please explain the USS Liberty attack in on June 8th 1967?
if we waited for the arab countries to attack we wouldn't exist, I'm sure you would be satisfied:) The history is full of diffensive strikes that peacfull countries have been forced to launch in order to defend it self. It's a warfare strategy and it served us well. Im pretty tired of responding to claims in which I need to appologize for me staying alive, man, seriously. Israel is a sovereign state who has the rgith to exist and to defend it self, and it will do everything possible to defend its people and the civilians of the enemy (unlike the arabs), don't feel like appologizing for that because every country has the right to defend it's people. Once, our people are safe we never stop reaching for peace- as we have with Egypt and Jordan at the moment. And have been trying to reach with Palestinians however they rejected all the offers that Israel has propoused to them chosing terror and incitement over Peace.
Israel is anything but a peaceful country. And whilst you have the right to present any argument to justify an act of military aggression, selling Israel as a peaceful country won't get to you anywhere.. trust me!
I agree to an extent. It's basically the bully with the bigger stick scenario. Iran doesn't have the resources like US/Israel.